Darkwing Duck
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Quick search gave me this.
https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Those three you mention measure in at 6'11", 6'11", and 6'10.5", respectively.
The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread
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Quick search gave me this.
https://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/
Those three you mention measure in at 6'11", 6'11", and 6'10.5", respectively.
Gout ain't just for old people fool.
Hantlers
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Hey guys, I've never actually seen this player play a game (because that would be boring and pointless), but I took the extensive time to watch one highlight of him...I'm gonna go ahead and tell you why he's not a good player.
Logic like this is why people like JimLes suck.
If you don't know anything about a particular player, or a particular subject, then don't offer your opinion on it. It just lets us know how much of a fool you are.
Logic like this is why people like JimLes suck.
If you don't know anything about a particular player, or a particular subject, then don't offer your opinion on it. It just lets us know how much of a fool you are.
you missed yao ming. he was measured at 7ft 5. and then later he was measured again by rockets and many got him at 7ft 6.
not sure when the predraft started, but you can't just not include past players - such as david robinson, ralph sampson & lou alcindor.
I was going to say the same thing...I remember Thabeet being pretty damn dominant in college.
thabeet avg 6.2/6.8reb as a freshman
embiid is not avg double double because he is only playing 22min per game.
having said that, if jr. thabeet came out in this draft, he would still be a top 10 pick because of his size and potential.
Hantlers
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While Thabeet put up pretty decent numbers in college, he was always a stiff.
If you ever actually watched him play, you would have noticed that almost all of his points came from put-backs or lobs. On defense, he was allowed to foul quite a bit.
Now somebody else mentioned it earlier, but typically the reason why stiff bigs can succeed in college, but not the NBA is because of the there's a more compact lane, the three-point line is closer, inconsistent reffing and certain conferences had reputations for playing tough...so their players go to play tough. UCONN was in one of those conferences. However, once you get to the NBA and you're dealing with more athletic players, an expanded lane, expanded three-point line and better reffing with an emphasis on a more finesse style of game, those big stiffs can't adjust. Roy Hibbert is one of the very few without a jumpshot, who has been able to do so in recent years.
That's why this little comparison of Embiid to Thabeet is absolutely ridiculous. Embiid is a fluid athlete with solid post moves who has natural defensive instincts on the court. Of course comparing him to Olajuwon is a bit ridiculous, but you're flat out blind if you can't see some of the similarities between them. Embiid will be a very good player...he may not be the best post player of all time, but rest assured, he will be good. And at least he plays aggressive, which is more than you can say about Wiggins.
Hantlers out.
If you ever actually watched him play, you would have noticed that almost all of his points came from put-backs or lobs. On defense, he was allowed to foul quite a bit.
Now somebody else mentioned it earlier, but typically the reason why stiff bigs can succeed in college, but not the NBA is because of the there's a more compact lane, the three-point line is closer, inconsistent reffing and certain conferences had reputations for playing tough...so their players go to play tough. UCONN was in one of those conferences. However, once you get to the NBA and you're dealing with more athletic players, an expanded lane, expanded three-point line and better reffing with an emphasis on a more finesse style of game, those big stiffs can't adjust. Roy Hibbert is one of the very few without a jumpshot, who has been able to do so in recent years.
That's why this little comparison of Embiid to Thabeet is absolutely ridiculous. Embiid is a fluid athlete with solid post moves who has natural defensive instincts on the court. Of course comparing him to Olajuwon is a bit ridiculous, but you're flat out blind if you can't see some of the similarities between them. Embiid will be a very good player...he may not be the best post player of all time, but rest assured, he will be good. And at least he plays aggressive, which is more than you can say about Wiggins.
Hantlers out.
Darkwing Duck
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Only college game I remember of Thabeet was when he went up against DeJuan Blair and Blair abused him heavily.
We could never know. But jump in a time machine and throw them on otherwise identical rosters and Hakeem would win handily as he was more skilled in the post and possibly the greatest defensive player of all time.
It's like you're the Polish guy in every joke.
Beantown
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says the guy who can't spell "lottery"
jimmy eat jazz
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You must not read very much on the internet
Try the comments section on just about any news website, and you'll quickly be disabused of this notion.
jimmy eat jazz
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And yet reasonable people will still disagree at times. Debating who's better than who in sports is hardly a self-evident, wholly objective exercise as a general rule (in some cases it is).
I disagree with your characterizations about Beantown in this case. From where I sit you are as guilty mischaracterizing his arguments as you think he is guilty mischaracterizing Embiid.
jimmy eat jazz
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I don't disagree at all. But this doesn't rule out the possibility that some potential top picks might be considered riskier than others. That's all (at its core) Beantown is trying to argue--he thinks Embiid is a riskier choice than other potentially high lottery picks. People may disagree, but I hardly see it as a unreasonable conclusion to reach. I too am personally highly skeptical of 'project' big men, who based on my own unscientific observations seem to flame out at a much higher rate than they pan out. I don't know enough about Embiid to say one way or the other, but I think the grief Beantown is getting here is grossly disproportionate to what is merited.
jimmy eat jazz
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Not good at all. I wasn't suggesting that latter picks were more likely to put a team on a championship path only that high lottery picks typically didn't do so either as a counterpoint to the pervasive sense of hope here and at other teams that salvation lay only one high lottery draft pick away. It may, but historical odds suggest that it doesn't.
jimmy eat jazz
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Yes, but wouldn't Hakeem be pretty much the best case scenario for just about any center? I guess the real question is: What are the odds of that happening, relative to the odds of being something much, much less than that?
You don't think it's a wee bit overstated to say that Bynum was on track to be Shaq?
jimmy eat jazz
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God no, I'm solidly lower middle age, and I have had a couple of gout attacks already, one in the foot and one in the knee. Easily the most painful experiences in my life. God bless Allipurinol.
