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The OFFICIAL don't draft Joel Embiid thread

NUMBERICA said:
We could never know. But jump in a time machine and throw them on otherwise identical rosters and Hakeem would win handily as he was more skilled in the post and possibly the greatest defensive player of all time.
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My understanding is that Wilt was still sought-after even in his 40s.

If you tailor these identical rosters with good-great defenders, Wilt's team prevails in a series as he could basically carry an offense. If you tailor them with better offensive players, Hakeem anchors the defense better and takes the series.
 
dalamon said:
Hopefully you have the understanding that cases can be made for all 3 (Did Kareem ever win w/o Magic or the Big O? How come Wilt couldn't almost ever beat Russell?)
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Russell didn't beat Wilt. The Celtics beat the Lakers because they had the better team. I don't know if you ever saw Wilt play but he was way ahead of his time. Teams use to triple team the guy at times. He averaged 50 pts a game. That is with being a poor free throw shooter. How many championships did the Big O or Magic win without Jabbar? Hakeem use to struggle against Mark Eaton.

Hakeem was a great player but their is no way in hell he could have stopped Chamberlain. Hakeem was probable more like 6'10"-6'11. Certainly Hakeem is in the discussion regarding best centers but I put him 3rd or 4th behind Chamberlain, Jabbar, Russell and Hakeem. Hakeem's stats are not even close to both Jabbar and Chamberlain. To say Hakeem was the best defender is ignoring Russell.
 
PKM said:
I started from page 1 determined to read this entire thread. I failed hard.
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I made it to 3, then I simply fast forwarded and nothing struck my eyes as interesting. Joel Hans seems to be a controversial baller.
 
cowhide said:
Russell didn't beat Wilt. The Celtics beat the Lakers because they had the better team. I don't know if you ever saw Wilt play but he was way ahead of his time. Teams use to triple team the guy at times. He averaged 50 pts a game. That is with being a poor free throw shooter. How many championships did the Big O or Magic win without Jabbar? Hakeem use to struggle against Mark Eaton.

Hakeem was a great player but their is no way in hell he could have stopped Chamberlain. Hakeem was probable more like 6'10"-6'11. Certainly Hakeem is in the discussion regarding best centers but I put him 3rd or 4th behind Chamberlain, Jabbar, Russell and Hakeem. Hakeem's stats are not even close to both Jabbar and Chamberlain. To say Hakeem was the best defender is ignoring Russell.
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So you really think that Hakeem wouldn't have averaged 50ppg in the 60s? Especially seeing as he could hit free throws?
 
^^He would score over anyone from any spot on the floor at any time.^^

But would he build into that good of a player in the 60's.

My answer: No.
 
Honestly, Dream = top 5 all-time, I say top3. Rockets of the 90s were the only team that Jordan didn't have a winning record against IIRC
 
No one ever outclassed every matchup thrown at him like Hakeem. Shaq? Robinson? Ewing?
 
dalamon said:
Honestly, Dream = top 5 all-time, I say top3. Rockets of the 90s were the only team that Jordan didn't have a winning record against IIRC
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The Rockets were better than the Bulls. Jordan was just too good at whatever he did.

Also Hakeem was a better pick than Jordan. You never know what can come out of a player like Jordan. Even though the Bulls were lucky to get him at 3, Hakeem was the right choice at that time for the Rockets.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
And yet reasonable people will still disagree at times. Debating who's better than who in sports is hardly a self-evident, wholly objective exercise as a general rule (in some cases it is).

I disagree with your characterizations about Beantown in this case. From where I sit you are as guilty mischaracterizing his arguments as you think he is guilty mischaracterizing Embiid.
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You must be sitting in Tard town then.


on the app. square bizness.
 
Hantlers said:
Just wanted to compile some stats, but here are Embiids numbers in games that he's received over 25 minutes (there were 9 of them).

13 PPG
8.3 RPB
1.4 APG
3.5 BPG
1.1 SPG
3.3 TO
3.4 Fouls

All while shooting 70% from the field and 68.9% from the line, in about 28 MPG.

Those are very impressive numbers, especially when you consider he only shot the ball about 7 times per game. If you aren't impressed by that, then I don't know what to tell ya, but Embiid is the truth. You can see him improve leaps and bounds each game. He's quite impressive.
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Thats around the same sample size of all (total) of Kyrie's college games, and he got drafted #1.
 
dalamon said:
No one ever outclassed every matchup thrown at him like Hakeem. Shaq? Robinson? Ewing?
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shaq was too young. real bad a$$ shaq was 1st peat shaq which IMO was the greatest peak for any center.
also aging 37+ year old kareem routinely schooled hakeem. he was too tall for hakeem. and hakeem had hard time scoring on him.

bottom line even the great hakeem had his struggles. that's why most don't put him the top 8.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
If you say so. Didn't take you long to descend into personal insults, did it? Par for the course.
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Shot par several times at a couple courses. Never have shot under par on 18 doe.

Kinda bothers me. I think it's a mental block. When I was younger I had the same mental block about shooting in the 70's, a mental block I have since obliterated.

Closest I came to shooting under par on 18 was when I was -1 going into #16, then I bogeyed the hole. 2 birdies and 7 Pars on the front 9, 1 Bogey and 8 Pars on the back 9.

Gotta get more Birdies tbh. If Birdies were easy tho, they would call it, "Birdie for the course".

I think the most birdies I have gotten in a round is 5. I have gotten two hole's in one in my lifetime and you will never ever take that away from me.

If you want to talk Disc Golf I have shot under Par dozens of times and have gotten 1 hole in one. Disc Golf is kind of the easiest "sport" in the world tho so kind of not that much to brag about.

Shooting 5 under in disc golf is about the same difficulty as breaking 90 in real golf.

My best ever real golf score was an even Par 71 (done it twice). Don't hate on the course's Par being 71 either, that actually means it's harder to shoot even cuz there is one less Par 5 than usual.


/Golf
 
UGLI baby said:
Shot par several times at a couple courses. Never have shot under par on 18 doe.

Kinda bothers me. I think it's a mental block. When I was younger I had the same mental block about shooting in the 70's, a mental block I have since obliterated.

Closest I came to shooting under par on 18 was when I was -1 going into #16, then I bogeyed the hole. 2 birdies and 7 Pars on the front 9, 1 Bogey and 8 Pars on the back 9.

Gotta get more Birdies tbh. If Birdies were easy tho, they would call it, "Birdie for the course".

I think the most birdies I have gotten in a round is 5. I have gotten two hole's in one in my lifetime and you will never ever take that away from me.

If you want to talk Disc Golf I have shot under Par dozens of times and have gotten 1 hole in one. Disc Golf is kind of the easiest "sport" in the world tho so kind of not that much to brag about.

Shooting 5 under in disc golf is about the same difficulty as breaking 90 in real golf.

My best ever real golf score was an even Par 71 (done it twice). Don't hate on the course's Par being 71 either, that actually means it's harder to shoot even cuz there is one less Par 5 than usual.


/Golf
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The closet I got to shooting par was at Trafalga mini golf in Orem. Did manage a hole in one there, though. My date was impressed, though it didn't help me get a second one. She liked the intellectual types, not the jock types.
 
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