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The Russians might've tried to interfere but whatever they did had little effect on the actual election. I could say something about the electorate in Utah but I won't out of respect for those on Jazzfanz, many of whom are not part of the silent majority here in this state. Tell me, though, how can we better educate the people in Utah about their voting choices?
 
You have to be pretty dumb to still think that.

It actually requires superpower-level stupidity.

so let’s change the subject and instead point out how meddling to elect trump started under Obama. What I’ll call a big juicy “duh” burger. Did anyone think they interfered in the 2016 election during the trump presidency? During the bush presidency?

Don’t look here, look over there. SQUIRREL!
 
Are you quoting as evidence the same Mueller who led the total witch hunt that resulted in a nothingburger, wasted millions of dollars, and did not prove the Russians interfered in our elections?

I wish you’d at least lie consistently.

Did the Russians interfere to elect trump? It’s pretty much a yes or no question. Thank you in advance for answering honestly.
I'm pretty sure what I posted said 100% that Russia was meddling in our elections so yeah Russia meddled. Did Trump colluded? No. The Russians interfered when Obama was President not Trump. 2014...
 
It actually requires superpower-level stupidity.

so let’s change the subject and instead point out how meddling to elect trump started under Obama. What I’ll call a big juicy “duh” burger. Did anyone think they interfered in the 2016 election during the trump presidency? During the bush presidency?

Don’t look here, look over there. SQUIRREL!
I answered your question now you explain to me how Russia made all of the above counties vote for Trump.
 
You have to be an ignoramus to think Russia voted a majority of the States Red.

Here's a county map. Now how did Russia do all this?

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Please repost with mostly blue largest state Alaska drawn to scale. Because we all know that we elect presidents based on how each acre of land votes.
 
I answered your question now you explain to me how Russia made all of the above counties vote for Trump.

Whether or not oklahomans or dakotans would have voted trump anyway is moot.

Closely contested Midwest swing states are all that mattered. Russians understood this. They know USA polysci better than you do, apparently.
 
Whether or not oklahomans or dakotans would have voted trump anyway is moot.

Closely contested Midwest swing states are all that mattered. Russians understood this. They know USA polysci better than you do, apparently.
Enlighten me on how they made people vote for Trump.
 
Hmmm. Many pro Trumpers on here (@Joe Bagadonuts @Catchall have cited John Solomon’s work. They maybe should re-evaluate that decision:


From the article:
Last March, a veteran Washington reporter taped an interview with a Ukrainian prosecutor that sparked a disinformation campaign alleging Joe Biden pressured Ukrainians into removing a prosecutor investigating a company because of its ties to the former vice president’s son. The interview and subsequent columns, conducted and written by a writer for The Hill newspaper, John Solomon, were the starting gun that eventually set off the impeachment inquiry into the president.

Watching from the control booth of The Hill’s TV studio was Lev Parnas, who helped arrange the interview.

Parnas and his partner Igor Fruman were working with the president’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, to promote a story that it was Democrats and not Republicans who colluded with a foreign power in the 2016 election. Federal prosecutors in Manhattan indicted the duo this month on allegations that they illegally funneled foreign money into U.S. political campaigns.

Interviews and company records obtained by ProPublica show Parnas worked closely with Solomon to facilitate his reporting, including helping with translation and interviews. Solomon also shared files he obtained related to the Biden allegations with Parnas, according to a person familiar with the exchange. And the two men shared yet another only recently revealed connection: Solomon’s personal lawyers connected the journalist to Parnas and later hired the Florida businessman as a translator in their representation of a Ukrainian oligarch.

And it gets worse and worse. The Hill recognized that Solomon was dealing in some shady stuff and moved him over to the Opinion side. He’s now being represented by that Fox News couple lawyer. They always seem to appear on weird shows like Lou Dobbs. And Solomon claims he met the two Ukrainians in Rudy’s cartel through former congressman Pete Sessions (Who's under scrutiny for taking russian money).

Swamp the Drain!

it’s interesting that everything Trumpers have accused their opponents of has come back to boomerang against themselves. Collusion, corruption, fake news, secret meetings, lack of transparency, treason... you name it, the Trump admin has done it!

ultimately, this is what happens when your party throws away principles, strong foreign policy and fiscal responsibility for one ideology; stay in power no matter what (even if it means breaking laws, cheating, or taking Russian money)
 
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Go argue with your shadow no one is disputing this.

If you want to argue that trump is awesome because of the number of sparsely populated acres of land he won, show a map that includes our biggest state not shrunken down. Thank you.
I answered your question, now answer mine. What SPECIFICALLY did Russia do to make these people vote red?
 
Enlighten me on how they made people vote for Trump.

Stop raising arguments that no one is making.
No one is saying that Putin “made” people vote for trump.

not one person in the galaxy has claimed that Russians held a gun to a voter’s head or got a pee pee tape and blackmailed them to vote for trump.

The mueller report does not say this. The intelligence agencies do not say this. The most insane libtard in the world does not say this. So please go argue with yourself.

It is called influence, and unless you think Putin is an idiot who spends his time, money and effort on lost causes, he believes that he can influence gullible voters.

How did he do it? Read the mueller report, it is not my job to do your homework. But here is a good article to get you started. There are many SPECIFIC things Putin did. He got inside your head and you didn’t even know he was there.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-mueller-report-tells-us-about-russian-influence-operations
 
The Russians might've tried to interfere but whatever they did had little effect on the actual election. I could say something about the electorate in Utah but I won't out of respect for those on Jazzfanz, many of whom are not part of the silent majority here in this state. Tell me, though, how can we better educate the people in Utah about their voting choices?

Utah is a solid red state that lacks significant population (electoral votes) so it wasn’t a target of Russian interference. However, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all were targets of Russian interference and they all played a significant role in helping Trump get elected. Remember how, Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes COMBINED. I don’t know how you can confidently claim that Facebook posts, troll farms, and DNC hacks which led to cover fire for trump (and disaster for Clinton’s campaign) didn’t get him elected. And we still don’t know the extent to which Russia hacked our system due to McConnell’s efforts. Did they succeed at hacking a few key polling stations in swing states?

Utah’s political issues aren’t so much related to russian interference as they are with religious interference. Don’t know what I’m talking about? Go to your local grocery store and ask to see their wine, beer, and spirits section.
 
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Stop raising arguments that no one is making.
No one is saying that Putin “made” people vote for trump.

not one person in the galaxy has claimed that Russians held a gun to a voter’s head or got a pee pee tape and blackmailed them to vote for trump.

The mueller report does not say this. The intelligence agencies do not say this. The most insane libtard in the world does not say this. So please go argue with yourself.

It is called influence, and unless you think Putin is an idiot who spends his time, money and effort on lost causes, he believes that he can influence gullible voters.

How did he do it? Read the mueller report, it is not my job to do your homework. But here is a good article to get you started. There are many SPECIFIC things Putin did. He got inside your head and you didn’t even know he was there.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-mueller-report-tells-us-about-russian-influence-operations
So how is this Trump's fault? This happened under Obama....
 
Immediately after the release of the Access Hollywood tape on Oct 7, 2016, Russian affiliates and farms released emails that were embarrassing to Clinton’s campaign. It shifted immediately the attention from Trump’s sexual harassment to Clinton. A story that would’ve dominated the news cycle for weeks was buried by Clinton campaign emails.

But tell me again how russia either didn’t interfere or that their interference wasn’t significant.

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It’s 2019 and people still don’t know the basics over what happened in the fall 2016. Guys... cmon

I’m beginning to think we’re too willfully dumb to deserve our democracy anymore. We deserve Russian kleptocracy and corruption.
 
It’s 2019 and people still don’t know the basics over what happened in the fall 2016. Guys... cmon

I’m beginning to think we’re too willfully dumb to deserve our democracy anymore. We deserve Russian kleptocracy and corruption.
Tulsi though. You have no credibility.
 
Utah is a solid red state that lacks significant population (electoral votes) so it wasn’t a target of Russian interference. However, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all were targets of Russian interference and they all played a significant role in helping Trump get elected. Remember how, Trump won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania by 80,000 votes COMBINED. I don’t know how you can confidently claim that Facebook posts, troll farms, and DNC hacks which led to cover fire for trump (and disaster for Clinton’s campaign) didn’t get him elected. And we still don’t know the extent to which Russia hacked our system due to McConnell’s efforts. Did they succeed at hacking a few key polling stations in swing states?

Utah’s political issues aren’t so much related to russian interference as they are with religious interference. Don’t know what I’m talking about? Go to your local grocery store and ask to see their wine, beer, and spirits section.
I totally agree with your point about Utah. As for Russian interference, I don't see much concrete evidence. The FB posts, DNC hacks (they didn't hurt Hillary in the primaries, though they did come late in the primaries, so that could be a reason), and the troll farms are supposition which don't have enough evidence to be make a conclusive judgment. They are all speculative.
 
Its 100% fact that Russia interfered. Its 100% fact that Obama was President when it happened. Its 100% fact it was happening before Trump was a candidate.
 
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