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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

He's like a mob boss who fancies himself a celebrity. The problem is that he's running against quite possibly the least coherent, least charismatic, least energizing candidate I think I've ever seen in Joe Biden. I wouldn't put it past Trump to get re-elected.

Just curious, what’s Donald’s campaign message for 2020? He spoke for nearly 2 hours tonight. What’s his coherent and energetic message? Could you tell us?

He’s the (impeached) incumbent with failed promises, trillions of debt, an economy in shatters, and soon 200,000 dead due to his failed response to a pandemic.
 
So, let's summarize:

- Told that hundreds of thousands (a million!) wanted to go and tickets would be nearly impossible to get. Reality is they couldn't even fill the arena and the upper deck was empty.
- Emails to supporters practically begged them to show up to fill the arena due to the empty space and entire outdoor space that was being torn down before things began
- Blamed violent protesters outside for not being able to achieve a high turnout. Not a single account of actual violent protesting can be found on social media, news, etc. because it's imaginary and an excuse just like everything else
- No actual ideas shared during the rally, just more tough guy talk and knocking everyone around. Red meat for meat eaters
- Outright said that he doesn't want to test as it leads to cases. Damage control from his handlers say he was 'kidding' though we all know he's not

Whether or not you liked Obama, nobody could deny that that guy could turn out a crowd both home and abroad. To suggest otherwise is simply ignoring fact.
 
Hillary had been vilified for decades before she ran. She had some of the biggest negative opinion numbers of any politician ever. People literally think she has been involved in over a dozen murders.



Hillary was sharp, and she had a lot of enthusiastic and dedicated supporters. Biden doesn't. Biden's whole strategy is to hide himself and hope that Trump provokes enough ire to get booted out of office. It's a risky play.

Trump's campaign will be a repeat of what got him elected in 2016--immigration, fighting Obama-care, fighting the political establishment, negotiating international trade, and curbing social liberalism. All of that is still on the table for him. Unless Joe can articulate a solid economic strategy, Trump will also be the stronger candidate on the economy at a time when the country needs an economic recovery. The riots, looting, and defunding of police departments are also playing right into his hands. None of that plays well politically. Trump is saying, "The left is crazy," and a lot of people now believe him.
 
So, let's summarize:

- Told that hundreds of thousands (a million!) wanted to go and tickets would be nearly impossible to get. Reality is they couldn't even fill the arena and the upper deck was empty.
- Emails to supporters practically begged them to show up to fill the arena due to the empty space and entire outdoor space that was being torn down before things began
- Blamed violent protesters outside for not being able to achieve a high turnout. Not a single account of actual violent protesting can be found on social media, news, etc. because it's imaginary and an excuse just like everything else
- No actual ideas shared during the rally, just more tough guy talk and knocking everyone around. Red meat for meat eaters
- Outright said that he doesn't want to test as it leads to cases. Damage control from his handlers say he was 'kidding' though we all know he's not

Whether or not you liked Obama, nobody could deny that that guy could turn out a crowd both home and abroad. To suggest otherwise is simply ignoring fact.

Yeah, and Obama isn't running.
 
Hillary was sharp, and she had a lot of enthusiastic and dedicated supporters. Biden doesn't. Biden's whole strategy is to hide himself and hope that Trump provokes enough ire to get booted out of office. It's a risky play.

Trump's campaign will be a repeat of what got him elected in 2016--immigration, fighting Obama-care, fighting the political establishment, negotiating international trade, and curbing social liberalism. All of that is still on the table for him. Unless Joe can articulate a solid economic strategy, Trump will also be the stronger candidate on the economy at a time when the country needs an economic recovery. The riots, looting, and defunding of police departments are also playing right into his hands. None of that plays well politically. Trump is saying, "The left is crazy," and a lot of people now believe him.

Polls don't seem to indicate that anything that's been happening the past three months has helped him. Being an incumbent is hard - you can't get around 'When I'm president, I'm going to...' as you now actually have a track record.

Trump's path to re-election is clear: a turnaround of the economy in the next four months and praying that Covid goes away. That's literally it. To get one or both of these things to happen is an even riskier play.
 
Just curious, what’s Donald’s campaign message for 2020? He spoke for nearly 2 hours tonight. What’s his coherent and energetic message? Could you tell us?

He’s the (impeached) incumbent with failed promises, trillions of debt, an economy in shatters, and soon 200,000 dead due to his failed response to a pandemic.

Trump's message appears to be, from what I can tell, "The left is crazy, and they're dangerous."
A lot of people, including moderates like me, think the impeachment was spurious.
The debt is a problem, but I doubt it gets blamed on Trump. Big banks and the Fed are still playing dangerous games with cheap money, but they're addicted to it now.
I doubt Trump gets blamed for the coronavirus either, or the response. He went along with social distancing, per the NIH, and the governors set the policy for their states.
Trump will blame China for letting the virus get out, and he'll use it to enforce the idea that we need to be tougher on China relations and less dependent on them.
The economy was broken mostly due to the global pandemic. I doubt that Trump gets blamed for it, or that Biden will get credit for having a better policy. You can't have it both ways--if you shut the country down for public health reasons, you kill the economy. So pick your poison.

Trump is not unbeatable by any means, but I think it will take a strong candidate and a united Democratic party to do it. And the Dems have just the opposite.

Maybe BLM will grow into a bigger civil rights movement, as some people hope it will, and maybe that will galvanize support for Biden. But otherwise, I'm not seeing how Biden is a compelling candidate. Biden hasn't shown that he hold a coherent stream of thought for more than 10 - 15 seconds, and his only claim so far is that he's not Trump.
 
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Polls don't seem to indicate that anything that's been happening the past three months has helped him. Being an incumbent is hard - you can't get around 'When I'm president, I'm going to...' as you now actually have a track record.

Trump's path to re-election is clear: a turnaround of the economy in the next four months and praying that Covid goes away. That's literally it. To get one or both of these things to happen is an even riskier play.

Don't worry about polls. Only certain people are participating in them, and Trump's support has always been underrepresented in polls. Trump has been successful in getting people who aren't politically active to come out and vote.

I don't think Trump will take the blame for the pandemic or the economic consequences of it. He shut the country down because certain epidemiologists were projecting that over 2 million people in the U.S. could die from the virus.
 
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Yeah, if only I could think of a politician who is less coherent and charismatic...

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He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook, when he growled like a bowlful of jelly.
 
A lot can change between now and November, but for the moment, put it this way:

Which candidate is better suited to lead an economic recovery?

Next, which candidate is more likely to deter more riots from breaking out and stop the spread of communist uptopias like in downtown Seattle?

I would predict that, right now, these questions are near the top of the list for a lot of people. You really think Biden and his disappearing act will hold up?

I could only watch a few minutes of Trump's rally here and there, but it looks like more than a million people tuned in to the online live stream.
 
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A lot can change between now and November, but for the moment, put it this way:

Which candidate is better suited to lead an economic recovery?

Next, which candidate is more likely to deter more riots from breaking out and stop the spread of communist uptopias like in downtown Seattle?

I would predict that, right now, these questions are near the top of the list for a lot of people. You really think Biden and his disappearing act is going to hold up?

Biden sucks big time but Trump is the WPOAT. He is so noxious that the pigs in the sty are abominated.
 
A lot can change between now and November, but for the moment, put it this way:

Which candidate is better suited to lead an economic recovery?

Next, which candidate is more likely to deter more riots from breaking out and stop the spread of communist uptopias like in downtown Seattle?

I would predict that, right now, these questions are near the top of the list for a lot of people. You really think Biden and his disappearing act will hold up?

I could only watch a few minutes of Trump's rally here and there, but it looks like more than a million people tuned in to the online live stream.
holy ****!

Good laughs to be had here.

You're a "moderate" my ****ing ***.

Biden is better for not being an incompetent douchebag, surrounding himself with anti-democratic thugs, being a racist POS, not knowing how to stand up straight.

Oh and spray tans. Don't forget the spray tans.

Trump is done!
 
Well, he beat Hillary, who was a much stronger candidate than Biden is.
Seriously?? I wouldn't vote for Hillary in a million years. But I'll be voting for Biden. He's a much MUCH better candidate than she was. As is partially evidenced by his current 12 point lead over Trump.
 
I still find it comical that the Trump campaign got suckered into thinking 100's of thousands of people wanted to attend due to teenagers trolling him on Tiktok and Twitter.

My guess is his campaign manager is getting the boot this week due to the sham tonight as well as his standing in battleground states. The book on this is clear: when something embarrassing happens to Trump, somebody gets the axe. Parscale is the next sacrificial lamb.
 
I still find it comical that the Trump campaign got suckered into thinking 100's of thousands of people wanted to attend due to teenagers trolling him on Tiktok and Twitter.

My guess is his campaign manager is getting the boot this week due to the sham tonight as well as his standing in battleground states. The book on this is clear: when something embarrassing happens to Trump, somebody gets the axe. Parscale is the next sacrificial lamb.

And a million people tuned in online.
 
Seriously?? I wouldn't vote for Hillary in a million years. But I'll be voting for Biden. He's a much MUCH better candidate than she was. As is partially evidenced by his current 12 point lead over Trump.

Hillary was also up 10+ points in polls around this time. It didn't matter.
 
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