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In 2019, Trump and Giuliani accused Joe Biden of wanting Ukraine’s chief prosecutor fired, in order to protect his son Hunter, and Burisma Holdings. But there was never any evidence, let alone proof, that Hunter Biden had done anything wrong in Ukraine. So, did you use the standard of “proven facts“ when you expressed your belief that the accusations were credible? You ran with the story Giuliani presented. I assume you found his story credible. At the time, did anyone here tell you that you COULD NOT take that position, because you had no “proven facts” that would establish wrongdoing by Hunter Biden while he served on the board in question?

If you expect me to stick to absolute proof with this story, why do you not also hold yourself to that standard with the Hunter Biden story? In fairness, can I not ask of you the same standard you wish me to apply to myself?

In the instance of the Vanity Fair report, as far as I can see, nowhere did it say Donald Trump himself approved any decision to drop the testing plan that Vanity Fair says it obtained a copy of, and which was attributed to Kushner. The story focused on Kushner, not Trump. The motives were attributed to Kushner, not, as you stated above, in comment #11001, to Trump.

You made an assumption there that was not stated in either article. You mistakenly made the story, and my posting of the story, all about Trump, instead of Kushner. Yes, one might assume such a decision would be run by Trump, but you know what they say when we assume.

in any case, I found the story credible, if for no other reason that it’s something I would actually expect of this administration. At this point in time, why would I consider it highly implausible that Kushner, and others on his task force, might decide to drop a federally directed testing plan because, at the time in question, the virus was concentrated in urban areas of blue states?

But proof is a different animal. I would want to see the Kushner derived plan which Vanity Fair says it obtained a copy of. And I would like to hear from more than just a single source, which seems to be the basis of the claim made by Vanity Fair. I have no problem admitting that it is not proven, because it is not proven.

But, I am entitled to find it credible, and I do, just as you are entitled to find the accusations against Hunter Biden credible.
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Hmm. We sure see things differently. I don't have the time to argue it and it doesn't really matter if I do. The good thing for me, I guess, is that business is booming. Doesn't leave me much time to solve the world's problems, though. I'll leave you to it.
 
Trump is kind of like the villain in every Bond movie who tells you his dastardly plan right before trying to actually kill you.

Let's just hope that voters in swing states are the heroes this year that thwart it.
 
Political Jazz Fan said:
What you can look forward to in the entire US if Harris/Biden wins.
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Plenty of people live in CA, like all places there are good and bad. The worse thing about CA is that it is too expensive (capitalism), too many people and taxes need to get reduced but I have lived in 5 different states and NONE of the are perfect. Texas, Connecticut, California, New Hampshire and Utah. They all have great things about them and crappy things.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Hmm. We sure see things differently. I don't have the time to argue it and it doesn't really matter if I do. The good thing for me, I guess, is that business is booming. Doesn't leave me much time to solve the world's problems, though. I'll leave you to it.
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I mean, it would start with actually reading the article and then giving a reasonable critique. But who has time for that amiright.
 
news.yahoo.com

Senate committee sought investigation of Bannon, raised concerns about Trump family testimony

The Senate Intelligence Committee believed former Trump confidant Stephen K. Bannon may have lied to Congress, according to a letter obtained by The Times.
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“The Senate Intelligence Committee has sent a bipartisan letter to the Justice Department asking federal prosecutors to investigate Stephen K. Bannon, a former Trump confidante, for potentially lying to lawmakers during its investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

The letter, a copy of which was reviewed by The Times, was signed by the panel's then-chairman, Republican Sen. Richard M. Burr, and its ranking Democrat, Sen. Mark Warner.

It also raised concerns about testimony provided by family members and confidants of President Trump that appeared to contradict information provided by a former deputy campaign chairman to Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller III. Those it identified as providing such conflicting testimony were the president's son Donald Trump Jr., his son-in-law Jared Kushner, former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and former White House Communications Director Hope Hicks.“
 
fishonjazz said:
Do you think trump understands that there is literally no such thing as a democratic city? Like does he think no Republicans live in NYC?

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This brings up something that has bugged me for years; the contempt Republicans show towards some of our largest cities and economic centers. The majority of Americans live in these large and diverse cities. Yet, it’s perfectly normal and acceptable for Republicans to attack them. You literally can’t go a Fox News segment without them attacking some large city or state as a “Democrat” place.

Yet if I or anyone else were to attack a small town with a homogeneous population, we’d be attacked for being intolerant bigots. Our contempt for small towns is seen as a vice while the contempt Republicans see towards our largest cities and economic centers is seen as a virtue by those who proclaim the loudest to “love America or leave it!”

If one loves America then how can you hate its largest cities and have contempt for the majority of its population?

Think about it, how often do you hear a Republican attack fellow Americans whether they be immigrants, women, POC, college educated, or living in big cities? I don’t think this is healthy and the contempt they show for the majority of the population while demanding you tolerate their intolerance is amusing.
 
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The weaponization of the USPS and the census.

www.theatlantic.com

Just How Far Will Trump Go?

The president has dramatically accelerated the pace of his efforts to weaponize the federal government to his advantage.
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“......Payne says Trump’s offensive has proceeded in two stages. First, he systematically defied congressional oversight—ignoring subpoenas and demands for testimony—and fired inspectors general who were in his path. Congressional Republicans helped by supporting his defiance of oversight and voting almost unanimously not to punish his actions in Ukraine. With those potential sources of resistance blunted, Payne says, Trump has moved more openly than before to manipulate federal operations that will directly influence the outcome of this election (the Postal Service) and the distribution of political power for years to come (the census).”

“And if Trump wins? The public-administration experts universally told me that the accelerating pace of Trump’s excesses—without meaningful complaint from congressional Republicans—signals that in a second term, he is likely to push much further in refashioning the federal government for his own ends.

Rosenberg framed Trump’s actions in dramatic terms. Trump, in his combative speeches around the July 4 holiday, claimed that “far-left fascism” is trying to “overthrow” and “destroy” American “civilization”—allegations that could justify almost any level of “authoritarian crackdown by the government of the United States against the president’s domestic political opponents,” Rosenberg argues. “We are watching an authoritarian in action before our eyes. And we haven’t woken up to the significance of what we are seeing, frankly.”
 
The Thriller said:
This brings up something that has bugged me for years; the contempt Republicans show towards some of our largest cities and economic centers. The majority of Americans live in these large and diverse cities. Yet, it’s perfectly normal and acceptable for Republicans to attack them. You literally can’t go a Fox News segment without them attacking some large city or state as a “Democrat” place.

Yet if I or anyone else were to attack a small town with a homogeneous population, we’d be attacked for being intolerant bigots. Our contempt for small towns is seen as a vice while the contempt Republicans see towards our largest cities and economic centers is seen as a virtue by those who proclaim the loudest to “love America or leave it!”

If one loves America then how can you hate its largest cities and have contempt for the majority of its population?

Think about it, how often do you hear a Republican attack fellow Americans whether they be immigrants, women, POC, college educated, or living in big cities? I don’t think this is healthy and the contempt they show for the majority of the population while demanding you tolerate their intolerance is amusing.
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I’m being simplistic, because it’s hard to do justice here, but this goes back to the rural/urban divide in our history. Conservatism is dominant in rural areas, liberals in urban, densely populated areas. Why Is the so-called intelligentsia looked down upon by Americans? Not by all, but it’s a common form of disdain among Americans. America was a series of frontier experiences. And intellectuals did not have a skill set in areas of new settlement, in “taming” the wilderness. But, in cities, in areas where non utilitarian skills could grow, like the arts, universities of learning, an intelligentsia could develop, and with it the growth of liberal philosophy. And while the immigrant experience was at its worse precisely in the cities where they settled, eventually it’s that very resulting diversity that fostered the acceptance of diversity that is a liberal hallmark. Our rural areas became far less diverse in contrast. To some degree, we have always been two America’s, cities and rural communities, liberal and conservative, Democratic-inclined enclaves, Republican traditional mores preserved in the country side.
 
www.nytimes.com

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia (Published 2020)

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.
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Senate Intelligence Committee released its report on Russian interference into our 2016 election. The bipartisan report confirms the findings of the Mueller report. It also adds this piece of information.

"Democrats also laid out a potentially explosive detail: that investigators had uncovered information possibly tying Mr. Kilimnik to Russia’s major election interference operations conducted by the intelligence service known as the G.R.U."

“The committee obtained some information suggesting that the Russian intelligence officer, with whom Manafort had a longstanding relationship, may have been connected to the G.R.U.’s hack-and-leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election,” Democrats wrote. “This is what collusion looks like.”

What does it take for Trump supporters to wake up to the truth that their guy is not worthy of the office?
 
Stars Fan said:
www.nytimes.com

G.O.P.-Led Senate Panel Details Ties Between 2016 Trump Campaign and Russia (Published 2020)

A nearly 1,000-page report confirmed the special counsel’s findings at a moment when President Trump’s allies have sought to undermine that inquiry.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

Senate Intelligence Committee released its report on Russian interference into our 2016 election. The bipartisan report confirms the findings of the Mueller report. It also adds this piece of information.

"Democrats also laid out a potentially explosive detail: that investigators had uncovered information possibly tying Mr. Kilimnik to Russia’s major election interference operations conducted by the intelligence service known as the G.R.U."

“The committee obtained some information suggesting that the Russian intelligence officer, with whom Manafort had a longstanding relationship, may have been connected to the G.R.U.’s hack-and-leak operation targeting the 2016 U.S. election,” Democrats wrote. “This is what collusion looks like.”

What does it take for Trump supporters to wake up to the truth that their guy is not worthy of the office?
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What does it take to undo a lobotomy?
 
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