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The *OFFICIAL* Russia Is About To Invade Ukraine Thread

Since someone asked:

I've sort of started a charity by accident. Here's the most recent update from Wednesday I sent out to supporters.

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Who you've been helping in Ukraine
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Good morning to all our recent contributors,

We've had a busy few days locating and finding new families that urgently need relief, and I wanted to write and update you on what we've been doing this week.

Since our last update on Sunday evening we've sent out a little more than $6,000 directly to families and local community leaders. This brings our total over the last 72 hours to more than $11,000 in direct distributions. We're working hard to consistently turn your donations into food, housing, medical supplies for Ukrainians within 24-48 hours.

The hardest hit city on the ground in recent days has been Mariupol. The city has been encircled by invading forces, and citizens have been unable to consistently leave the city as humanitarian corridors have come under attack. One of the more tragic consequences of this situation is that communication into the city is painfully difficult. Even Ukrainians with family members in Mariupol have reported periods of no contact that can last days. For that reason getting aid to families inside Mariupol, or recently escaped from Mariupol, has been our highest priority.

Just yesterday we started having success in this area: making contact and giving direct aid to four families - including a single mother with four children and a father who was able to leave the city with his elderly mother and his daughter.

We've also continued supporting the construction of field hospitals near Kyiv, distribution of medicines in war zones, the orphanage system near Odessa, and business owners who are using their facilities to provide food and shelter to citizens that recently lost their homes.

We've attached photos of some of the families you've helped, and the food and medicine you've purchased to this email so that you can get a sense of how much this means. None of these people chose this war. It happened to them. And you're helping extend a lifeline when they need it.

I've also attached a sample of the kinds of conversations I have every day, after we've been able to find families and get them money they need to keep a roof over their head and feed and their children. Irina, whose father and husband are currently fighting the war, and who needed support while she and her mom have closed their florist shop due to shelling, was astonished that we were able to get money directly into her bank account in under an hour. Her response: "God bless you!!! We are grateful to you without limits ... To tears..."

This is just one example, but it's an extremely common response. Many people we've spoken to have asked how they can pay these funds back or asked if they can host their American donors for an evening in their homes after the war is over. These families don't take it for granted. Many view your support as answer to their prayers.

All of this happens because of people like you. So from us to you, thank you for your continued generosity.

One measure of our success: when we started this project we were spending a lot of time scouring the country looking for people we could help. Now, a few weeks in, families in Ukraine are starting to find us. Word is spreading among families from Odessa, Izmail, and Kharkiv that this kind of direct aid exists; and I'm starting to get messages asking how people can "apply to our organization" for assistance. They are surprised to find out the "organization" is two guys with laptops and social media accounts. This is the kind of personal human help they need, but haven't been able to access locally.

The need for more aid is huge. And we're relying on support from you and your connections to keep it going. Please consider continuing your support and telling your friends and family about this project. As always, we accept donations through Venmo @Adam-Romney-2 and through PayPal at adam.romney@gmail.com. And I'm willing to talk to anyone about this project at any time. My personal cell phone is (602) 481-0571. I'm available day and night.

Thank you. Truly, from the bottom of my heart. You all are helping make one of the worst human tragedies in recent memory at least a little more bearable for the people it hurts the most. Ukraine is a wonderful place, and it will be again soon.

-Adam Romney
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Jazzfanz will only let me attach 10 files, but you get the gist.

If anyone is looking for how to get aid to individuals on the ground, I'm in the process of setting up a California non-profit, but I'm still pushing money out through wire transfers as fast as I can find people. I'd love to have you on board.
That is super amazing. I've done the Air B&B trick to get a little over there, but I'm concerned that it's only going to people who actually know about it and can have a space set up to pretend to do it.
 
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And to be fair, the democrats sure do talk a lot of hatred and fear about the republicans as well. Its a **** show all around
How much of this is justified vs unjustified?

Much of the hate and fear we see on the right is nonsense. Qanon, election fraud, Ukrainian BioWeapons, Hunter’s laptop/Hillary’s server, and black people.

While much of the fear and hate I see directed towards republicans is justified. They have passed voting restrictions to suppress the vote and make it easier for them to maintain power. The Republican Party is comparable with other authoritarian parties in the world. Their disdain for democracy and pluralism is evident in their mantra of “MAGA.” They want to return the country to a time where “they” (white Christian dudes) ran everything. They idolize Putin and Orban. Tucker almost monthly travels to Hungary to promote Orban.

I hate Donald Trump and his 1/6 insurrections. I’m fearful that once Republicans retake congress that they’re going to end military aid to Ukraine and make it easier for them to maintain political power without actually winning elections. I’m fearful of the harm to America and the world from what a 2nd Donald trump term would be like. I’m horrified of what Speaker MTG will do. Try and end the ACA? Privatize social security? Give vouchers for those on Medicaid/Medicare?Earlier this month she spoke at a white supremacist rally that cheered Putin. Is that really comparable to the fear the right has of Biden mandating a cloth to go over my face when I enter indoor buildings during a pandemic?

Is my fear and hate towards Donald trump and this authoritarian version of republicans really comparable to the right’s fear and hate of Hunter’s laptop, Qanon, and Ukrainian BioWeapons?
 
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How much of this is justified vs unjustified?

Much of the hate and fear we see on the right is nonsense. Qanon, election fraud, Ukrainian BioWeapons, Hunter’s laptop/Hillary’s server, and black people.

While much of the fear and hate I see directed towards republicans is justified. They have passed voting restrictions to suppress the vote and make it easier for them to maintain power. The Republican Party is comparable with other authoritarian parties in the world. Their disdain for democracy and pluralism is evident in their mantra of “MAGA.” They want to return the country to a time where “they” (white Christian dudes) ran everything. They idolize Putin and Orban. Tucker almost monthly travels to Hungary to promote Orban.

I hate Donald Trump and his 1/6 insurrections. I’m fearful that once Republicans retake congress that they’re going to end military aid to Ukraine and make it easier for them to maintain political power without actually winning elections. I’m fearful of the harm to America and the world from what a 2nd Donald trump term would be like. I’m horrified of what Speaker MTG will do. Try and end the ACA? Privatize social security? Give vouchers for those on Medicaid/Medicare?Earlier this month she spoke at a white supremacist rally that cheered Putin. Is that really comparable to the fear the right has of Biden mandating a cloth to go over my face when I enter indoor buildings during a pandemic?

Is my fear and hate towards Donald trump and this authoritarian version of republicans really comparable to the right’s fear and hate of Hunter’s laptop, Qanon, and Ukrainian BioWeapons?
Wow, you have a lot of hate. Maybe politics isn’t for you. Try to find something that gives you some positive feelings.
I really don’t understand the hate from both sides. What did Trumps administration do that made your life worse? My business was locked down for 6 months and my source of income was taken away; the government then threw me some scraps to live off of, the same amount that was given to everyone who had a government job and still had a source of income. I don’t have hate for Trump. Since Biden came in, the SBA EDIL program has been a disaster for thousands of small businesses trying to get loans to survive. I don’t hate Biden. But both of these things have affected me but I don’t have hate or fear of the future.

Your hate and fear is nonsense. There wasn’t major conflict under Trump, but you’re fearful for the world if he is president again. MTG is not going to be speaker just like Ilhan Omar will not be. You sound like you just type all the taking points from MSNBC on here.
 
I hate Hitler. I don't hate the Germans. That's a big difference. As soon as the word starts being thrown around with full groups instead of individuals there is a huge problem. I was afraid of bin Laden, but as soon as we started being afraid of anyone who even remotely resembled a "Muslim" it started greatly diminishing the value we place on their lives, and that's wrong on many levels. So if you hate Donald Trump that's fine. Does it extend to those darn "repubs" as a way to diminish the humanity of the individuals? Then that's a problem. And that's a HUGE problem in the US right now.
 
Wow, you have a lot of hate. Maybe politics isn’t for you. Try to find something that gives you some positive feelings.
I really don’t understand the hate from both sides. What did Trumps administration do that made your life worse? My business was locked down for 6 months and my source of income was taken away; the government then threw me some scraps to live off of, the same amount that was given to everyone who had a government job and still had a source of income. I don’t have hate for Trump. Since Biden came in, the SBA EDIL program has been a disaster for thousands of small businesses trying to get loans to survive. I don’t hate Biden. But both of these things have affected me but I don’t have hate or fear of the future.

Your hate and fear is nonsense. There wasn’t major conflict under Trump, but you’re fearful for the world if he is president again. MTG is not going to be speaker just like Ilhan Omar will not be. You sound like you just type all the taking points from MSNBC on here.
That was my point about politics becoming religion. Those are signs of political positions becoming dogma, and faith in the One True Party becomes all-consuming.
 
I hate Hitler. I don't hate the Germans. That's a big difference. As soon as the word starts being thrown around with full groups instead of individuals there is a huge problem. I was afraid of bin Laden, but as soon as we started being afraid of anyone who even remotely resembled a "Muslim" it started greatly diminishing the value we place on their lives, and that's wrong on many levels. So if you hate Donald Trump that's fine. Does it extend to those darn "repubs" as a way to diminish the humanity of the individuals? Then that's a problem. And that's a HUGE problem in the US right now.
Good post.
 
I hate Hitler. I don't hate the Germans. That's a big difference. As soon as the word starts being thrown around with full groups instead of individuals there is a huge problem. I was afraid of bin Laden, but as soon as we started being afraid of anyone who even remotely resembled a "Muslim" it started greatly diminishing the value we place on their lives, and that's wrong on many levels. So if you hate Donald Trump that's fine. Does it extend to those darn "repubs" as a way to diminish the humanity of the individuals? Then that's a problem. And that's a HUGE problem in the US right now.
You can hate all the 1940ish Nazis, and not just Hitler, right? Not just bin Laden, but all of Al-Qaeda? The Thriller has ben clear in the past there are many Republicans that he respects, but he dislikes the pro-Trump Republicans.

The Thriller goes overboard sometimes. So do criticisms of The Thriller. sometimes.
 
You can hate all the 1940ish Nazis, and not just Hitler, right? Not just bin Laden, but all of Al-Qaeda? The Thriller has ben clear in the past there are many Republicans that he respects, but he dislikes the pro-Trump Republicans.

The Thriller goes overboard sometimes. So do criticisms of The Thriller. sometimes.

He has been against all republicans and uses individual on the right, to group them all together.
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Am I allowed to be against all Nazis or only the ones who personally killed my ancestors during the Holocaust?
I’m not saying you are allowed to be against all nazis or only the ones that killed your ancestors. I’m saying Thriller is against all republicans.
 
I’m not saying you are allowed to be against all nazis or only the ones that killed your ancestors. I’m saying Thriller is against all republicans.

Which is fine and actually consistent. If you believe the Republican party is a force for evil, then logically you should be against all of them and anyone who supports them.
 
I will not vote for ANY republicans that don't make very clear that they do not support Trump in any way, and who do not acknowledge Biden won the election fairly.
There is a difference between not voting for Republicans running for political office and hating people who are republican. The former is an understandable position while the latter is The Thriller. If you replaced the term 'republican' with 'jew' or whatever term for black people, The Thriller would be indistinguishable from Nazis or the KKK. The Thriller searches high and low to find anything he can use to stereotype a broad swath of people in the most negative way he can.
 
There is a difference between not voting for Republicans running for political office and hating people who are republican. The former is an understandable position while the latter is The Thriller. If you replaced the term 'republican' with 'jew' or whatever term for black people, The Thriller would be indistinguishable from Nazis or the KKK. The Thriller searches high and low to find anything he can use to stereotype a broad swath of people in the most negative way he can.
While I may not agree with his hating all Republicans, there's a big difference between being a Republican and being Jewish or black. Can you guess what it is?
 
Many people need to belong to something that makes them feel like they are part of something bigger than themselves, even if that thing is unreasonable.

For decades, religion filled that void in this country, but now that religious beliefs are fading at a rapid pace, people are finding other things, and politics seems to be at the top of the list (it has become a religion to many). It becomes part of their being, and passion and that sense of belonging deeply overshadows the ability to put reason first. It seems to happen on both sides of the aisle, causing any disagreement to turn to fear and hate, as a few posters here have fallen victim to (while pointing at the other side as being wrong without having the ability to see their own blinders). This leads to name calling and labeling to try and win an argument (rather foolish tactic) rather than actually seeing there are more than one reasonable viewpoint, even if you disagree with someone's stance.

Many people blame religions for many atrocities throughout history, which is partially true. However, it isn't the religion itself, but the almost unreasonable need to be a part of something that zaps people's ability to think critically. A pandemic that has isolated people for years will amplify that need in many.

A two party system in that environment will lead to issues being seen as left or right, with no inbetween. If we don't dilute the power from the GOP and Democratic parties, I anticipate that divide will grow even further.
 
Many people need to belong to something that makes them feel like they are part of something bigger than themselves, even if that thing is unreasonable.

For decades, religion filled that void in this country, but now that religious beliefs are fading at a rapid pace, people are finding other things, and politics seems to be at the top of the list (it has become a religion to many). It becomes part of their being, and passion and that sense of belonging deeply overshadows the ability to put reason first. It seems to happen on both sides of the aisle, causing any disagreement to turn to fear and hate, as a few posters here have fallen victim to (while pointing at the other side as being wrong without having the ability to see their own blinders). This leads to name calling and labeling to try and win an argument (rather foolish tactic) rather than actually seeing there are more than one reasonable viewpoint, even if you disagree with someone's stance.

Many people blame religions for many atrocities throughout history, which is partially true. However, it isn't the religion itself, but the almost unreasonable need to be a part of something that zaps people's ability to think critically. A pandemic that has isolated people for years will amplify that need in many.

A two party system in that environment will lead to issues being seen as left or right, with no inbetween. If we don't dilute the power from the GOP and Democratic parties, I anticipate that divide will grow even further.
You won’t be able to dilute the power of two parties without serious structural change to how we elect the legislative and executive branches. We aren’t a parliamentary system. We’re designed to only support two major political parties as opposed to a parliamentary system where multiple political parties are competitive.

Structural change would probably have to include abolishing the EC and basing the election of House Representatives on proportional voting. You’d probably have to do something with campaign finance reform, abolishing super pacs, limiting donations, and allowing for publicity funded elections. Most of these changes will require amendments to the constitution. So good luck with that. I don’t think you could get 2/3rds of congress to agree that the sky is blue or 3/4ths of state legislatures to agree we breathe oxygen.
 
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You can hate all the 1940ish Nazis, and not just Hitler, right? Not just bin Laden, but all of Al-Qaeda? The Thriller has ben clear in the past there are many Republicans that he respects, but he dislikes the pro-Trump Republicans.

The Thriller goes overboard sometimes. So do criticisms of The Thriller. sometimes.
You all were alive and saw the past 5 years, right? You all saw the TWO impeachments, right? And what a joke Republicans made of it… both times. Right? While I strongly believe there needs to be a conservative party in America, I don’t think it’s a stretch to claim that today’s GOP isn’t it. My solution is to inflict devastating electoral pain for two more cycles on them. Not because I get joy out of seeing Republicans lose. But because I think the more they lose over the next few years, the faster they’ll realize that their current form isn’t the future.



It’s pretty standard political knowledge that it takes 3 cycles (6 years) to often change a political party. Unfortunately, 2020 had mixed results for Republicans. I’d like to see them struggle to regain power in 2022. I think they might jolt them back onto the road to moderation. If not 2022, then 2024.

I think any warm blooded American should want this. Do you really think the authoritarianism from the right is healthy for a democracy? Demagoguing immigrants? Purposely separating children from parents at the border to discourage further immigration/asylum seeking? Gassing peaceful protesters? Attacking science and doctors; calling for Fauci to go to jail? Restricting women’s rights and attempts to get rid of the ACA without a replacement so millions lose their coverage? Voter suppression? Attacking trans children? Providing Christian churches rights that others don’t have? Stuffing Kavanaugh down our throats despite being credibly accused of sexual assault? Lying about election rigging and indulging in conspiracy? Cheering on Putin? You guys want more of this, really?


Wanting Republicans to fail right now isn’t just a policy issue for me, it’s a pro democracy issue. They’re not a normal conservative party. They’re an authoritarian party hoping to upend our democracy to establish an illiberal democracy based on Christian nationalism.
 
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It’s weird to me that those who bitch about Covid restrictions never dare talk about how the former guy ****ed up the Covid response. It’s a tell. Their precious little worldview must be preserved. They can’t allow themselves to question or criticize dear leader. They attack responsible politicians working with health officials rather than attack their boy who denied Covid publicly but told Bob Woodward the truth because he was worried about his approval ratings.


As David Frum once said something that has stayed with me. I’ll summarize it because I don’t remember his exact quote: you have a friend who’s being exploited. You tell the friend they’re being exploited and they become angry at you. Eventually, they learn that you were telling the truth. But rather than being angry at the swindler and forgiving you, they forgive the swindler and remain angry at you. Why? Because they just can’t admit that you were right.

That’s the way I see a lot of you Trumpers. You can’t allow yourselves to question or criticize the guy you defended endlessly for four years. Sunk cost mentality. So even though he ****ed up majorly with Covid, even telling people to shove flashlights up their asses and injecting disinfectants, you’ll remain angry at the politicians and health care officials acting responsible rather than attack the guy who hurt our Covid response and economy the most. Covid was always going to be tough. Any president would struggle against it. But it’s pretty obvious we had the worst person at the worst time to handle that crisis. But you can’t allow yourselves to see that truth because mentally you’re too weak. Emotionally you’ve sunk too much investment into defending him. Spiritually, you lack virtue. No decent person could still support that horrible human being.
 
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