The Trey Burke Thread

[jumpin bean]

His handle is loose sometimes because he is not in great nba shape. I think he is a point guard only and that's a position you only get better at by playing.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

HAHAHAHAHA Ill crush you in a pissing match on this subject, Whats the basis behind that statement?

Ive seen all the Exum footage to be found, read all the local articles on him throughout the years, and I vehemently disagree and can produce a ton of footage of him going left with spectacular results. He also finishes well with his left hand around the basket.

I'll start with this.. Isnt his "signature crossover" going left?

Well the signature move is just him making 1-3 straight-line dribbles going left. It doesn't take much of a left hand to do the move as much as it does just having really good acceleration.

Not commenting on his lack of/strength of left hand (haven't seen enough), but being able to do that move doesn't prove he has an advanced left hand.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

His handle is loose sometimes because he is not in great nba shape. I think he is a point guard only and that's a position you only get better at by playing.

Handle is loose because he is a taller player. All taller PG's have this problem. He will have to get better. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to more pressure from smaller/quicker guards.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I have no problem with this in SL but did anyone else feel like Exum sort of hogged the ball once it touched his hands last night? I could be imagining this tbh and SL is a whole 'nother brand of basketball. Just something that crossed my mind at a certain point. It, admittedly, could be entirely inaccurate.

 

[Game6Conley]

Well the signature move is just him making 1-3 straight-line dribbles going left. It doesn't take much of a left hand to do the move as much as it does just having really good acceleration.

Not commenting on his lack of/strength of left hand (haven't seen enough), but being able to do that move doesn't prove he has an advanced left hand.

wut, straightline dribbles? im talking about a crossover to the left.

Dante Exum's first step is just as good going left as it is going right, thats one of the first things I noticed about a year ago.

He finishes well with his left around the basket, how the hell does he 'have no left hand'

 

[HighlandHomie]

HAHAHAHAHA Ill crush you in a pissing match on this subject, Whats the basis behind that statement?

Ive seen all the Exum footage to be found, read all the local articles on him throughout the years. I vehemently disagree and can produce a ton of footage of him going left with spectacular results. He also finishes well with his left hand around the basket.

I'll start with this.. Isnt his "signature crossover" going left?

I suppose we'll just have to wait until the season starts and we can observe how the opposition defends him.

 

[Game6Conley]

I suppose we'll just have to wait until the season starts and we can observe how the opposition defends him.

You said he has no left hand though. Thats False.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

wut, straightline dribbles? im talking about a crossover to the left.

Dante Exum's first step is just as good going left as it is going right, thats something i noticed about a year ago.

He finishes well with his left around the basket, how the hell does he 'have no left hand'

He makes a simple cross over from right to left. The dribble move isn't advanced at all, and is more or less a straight line to the basket after the initial cross. It's a move anyone can make (only works if you have the ability to accelerate though), you don't need much of a left hand to pull it off.

 

[♪alt13]

So for those proposing we move Trey to the bench, at this point what is your starting lineup?

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Kanter
Favors

Cause I'm not gonna lie. That gives me a boner.

Go big(super big) and spread the floor for Exum to drive.

Exum
Hayward
Novak
Kanter
Favors


I really think you want Burks being the penetrator when Burke is at pg. Especially if Exum is playing pg rather than sg minutes.

 

[Flc]

I have no problem with this in SL but did anyone else feel like Exum sort of hogged the ball once it touched his hands last night? I could be imagining this tbh and SL is a whole 'nother brand of basketball. Just something that crossed my mind at a certain point. It, admittedly, could be entirely inaccurate.

Hogged the ball? I didn't get that - in fact, I actually found myself thinking several times: "keep the ball and make something happen for YOURSELF, Dante" since I found that so much of the time he would set up a teammate who would either miss or get fouled and then miss both free throws. (Looking at you, Big Frenchy.)

I do think he got trapped a couple of times when he a) was being pressed by a smaller guard as he brought the ball past the half-court line, or b) got pressed as he was attempting to go left, and in both cases as he tried to work himself out of the pressure/trap, he over-dribbled.

But overall? I thought he had marvelous and unselfish vision and was far less of a ballhog than any of our starting PGs since the fall of Deron - Trey, Mo, and Harris.

 

[TeaM DimE]

I have no problem with this in SL but did anyone else feel like Exum sort of hogged the ball once it touched his hands last night? I could be imagining this tbh and SL is a whole 'nother brand of basketball. Just something that crossed my mind at a certain point. It, admittedly, could be entirely inaccurate.

You are way off. Thought Exum was very unselfish and looking pass first on every play. If anything he needs to be more aggressive on offense.

 

[Game6Conley]

He makes a simple cross over from right to left. The dribble move isn't advanced at all, and is more or less a straight line to the basket after the initial cross. It's a move anyone can make (only works if you have the ability to accelerate though), you don't need much of a left hand to pull it off.

Hahaha ok Cy, its simple, of course thats why you see everyone doing it.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

He makes a simple cross over from right to left. The dribble move isn't advanced at all, and is more or less a straight line to the basket after the initial cross. It's a move anyone can make (only works if you have the ability to accelerate though), you don't need much of a left hand to pull it off.

With all due respect, if that was the case, every wing in the league would have a killer crossover.

 

[Game6Conley]

With all due respect, if that was the case, every wing in the league would have a killer crossover.

Thats gotta be one of the dumbest posts Cy has made.

 

[QuinSnydersHair]

I appreciate the responses regarding my comment about Exum possibly ball-hogging. Like I said, I may have very well been imagining it.

 

[TeaM DimE]

Trey will never like being second fiddle to Exum.Trey was freezing Dante out last night and on 1 play pissed Exum off with Dante throwing his hands in the air standing wide open.We have Exum and Trey hasn't ruined his stock.I don't think these 2 can play together because they both want to be lead dog.When rubber hits the road Im choosing Exum every time.Get something for Trey now and bring over Neto or sign a PG to play behind Exum, Dante is a point guard and needs as many minutes playing only that.

Agree completely. Dante needs the ball in his hand. It's early but it was such an awkward fit last night. Once Trey was on the bench and Dante was the primary ball handler he looked waaaay more comfortable. I am in the camp that Trey needs to accept the back-up role or be traded ASAP.

 

[candrew]

Handle is loose because he is a taller player. All taller PG's have this problem. He will have to get better. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to more pressure from smaller/quicker guards.

No Jumping Bean is right - it's clearly conditioning. Proof of which being he never panicked with the ball. If he had a crap handle he would have terminated his dribble when being pressured; which is what all players do when they don't have confidence in their ball handling skills.

 

[fishonjazz]

Only thing I don't like is that I feel the 2nd unit would be too weak without Burks.

Can Burke carry a 2nd unit? Do we want him to try?

I know Burks can do those things pretty well and actually make the 2nd unit a strength.

I would say that minutes can be staggered so that you have someone (hayward, burks, exum, kanter) who can carry the second unit at all times

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

With all due respect, if that was the case, every wing in the league would have a killer crossover.

You miss the part where I said you have to have really good acceleration to make it work?'

From a ball handling standpoint, it's not a difficult move at all. A lot of players do it. You just have to ability to set the play up and then have the elite acceleration to move work. The amount of talent it takes for your left hand to catch a cross over and make 3 hard dribbles is not the hard part and doesn't prove he has a left hand.

And like I said, I don't know if he has one or not. I haven't seen him in enough game situations to decide that. But to say he does because he can do a simple cross over from his right to left hand says that he has a strong left hand is misguided.

 

[Jaymz]

Why not have 2 great pointguards in your back court? I would like to see this play out, I mean we have a ton of raw young talant. No one knows what they are all capable of yet under Quin Snyder. It's obvious most of us have been upset by the restrictions on our young talant's playing minutes set by Coach Tyrone Corbin. Quin is the specialist here, that's why we have him as our new coach. Trey said there is a lot more freedom in their offense. Let's just see what he does with them, it could end up working out a lot like Curry/Thompson. A great backcourt is pretty scary! We do need talant coming off from the bench, Jazz usually have had a strong bench when we were in playoff standings.
I say it's MUCH, MUCH too early to be making any of these calls. We need to grow like OKC and share the ball like Spurs.

I will say this, though. 10,000 at practice? standing ovation for Exum? If that's not a welcome to being our franchise super-star, I don't know what is.