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Saint Cy of JFC said:
You cant tho. If you offer Exum any amount of money into next year then you can't reach Middleton's max.
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Take Ricky's cap hold off the books... assume we don't add future salary other than Exum (8M)... add in cap holds for first rounders this year and next and a few roster spot holds... we have 41-42M in space.

Trading Crowder for zero returning dollars or Exum for zero returning dollars gives us another $7M. Sign Middleton to 32M gives us 17M for Rubio but we have to choose between Crowder and Exum.

i don't think Rubio is a 41% 3 pt. shooter the rest of his career. I think he is 35%... which is fine, but he has some other limitations (that he improved). I just don't think another team is going to see that and go crazy with a guy who is 29 at that point.
 
IMO now is the time to add around the fringes, bake cake, and retain flexibility. If something amazing comes along then go for it.
 
How critical was Igor to Rubio's improved play? What if he regresses to the mean?

To echo HH; there is immense depth at the position league-wide, not to mention Mitchell will possibly be plenty good as the 1 if the situation demands it. I'm not saying run away from Rubio, but committing that much salary to him seems crazy unnecessary.

The Jabari scenario is about as good of one as I can see for the Jazz. If it went down, I'd be happy, but I also wouldn't seek it out and probably wouldn't pull the trigger if it were up to me.
 
At the end of the day, who makes the Jazz better in a fantasy scenario: Middleton or Parker?
 
I would want to see Rubio come back healthy and show improvement at the start to the season before I'd discuss extending him. Rubio has the ideal personality and character for the Jazz. However, in order for the Jazz to reach their potential, they could really use another player in the backcourt that can shoot off the dribble. Rubio still struggles getting to the rim and finishing there, and he should really be considered just a spot-up corner 3-pt shooter at this stage.

Maybe it's asking too much, but one of the Jazz's opportunities to improve is at the PG spot. I see Rubio as maybe a top 10 - 12 PG in the league right now.
 
NUMBERICA said:
At the end of the day, who makes the Jazz better in a fantasy scenario: Middleton or Parker?
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Middleton and it isn't close. Plays defense, though it took a dip last year, good three point shooter and can get his own shot. Undersized to play the 4 full time, but in the playoffs I'd start him there against Houston, GS and others.
 
stitches said:
BTW I'm surprised @Saint Cy of JFC didn't go for a sign and trade with the Wizards for Otto Porter... something like...Favors + filler + our pick for Otto... Would you do that Cy in case WAS wants to clear capspace?
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An interesting idea would be sending a second round pick Atlanta's way if we sent Favors to Atlanta while sending maybe Bradley, a pick, and one of our non-guaranteeds to Washington for Porter. That would allow Washington to dump $24M in salary to pick up draft picks and Bradley, would allow us to take back that salary because we included Favors (thus saving Burks' salary for something else), and Atlanta would get a free pick.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The Rubio disrespect is appalling.
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Was an average shooter for the first time this year, high turnover rate, does a lot of the little things, but unless his shooting is real he may not age well.

Defenses ignore him and sometimes they pay for it, but other times it effs up spacing.

He improved, is a great defender, wants to win and is about all the right things. Has good size for the position.

No one will give him $20M... doubt he gets $17M... if he chose to leave I think he'd get around 14-15M but even then which team is offering that? It's not disrespect at all. We have a great role, great culture, and great overall situation for him. Why do we need to pay a premium to retain him? Respect?

Which coach is good enough to plan around his flaws? For the next 5 years are there 10 guards/point guards you'd rather have? 15? 20?
 
infection said:
An interesting idea would be sending a second round pick Atlanta's way if we sent Favors to Atlanta while sending maybe Bradley, a pick, and one of our non-guaranteeds to Washington for Porter. That would allow Washington to dump $24M in salary to pick up draft picks and Bradley, would allow us to take back that salary because we included Favors (thus saving Burks' salary for something else), and Atlanta would get a free pick.
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I'm not sure Washington can do sign and trades... if you are over the apron/tax line you might be limited.
 
Catchall said:
I would want to see Rubio come back healthy and show improvement at the start to the season before I'd discuss extending him. Rubio has the ideal personality and character for the Jazz. However, in order for the Jazz to reach their potential, they could really use another player in the backcourt that can shoot off the dribble. Rubio still struggles getting to the rim and finishing there, and he should really be considered just a spot-up corner 3-pt shooter at this stage.

Maybe it's asking too much, but one of the Jazz's opportunities to improve is at the PG spot. I see Rubio as maybe a top 10 - 12 PG in the league right now.
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There is also the possibility that DM is best as a lead ball handler and putting someone with elite size and shooting would work better. DM struggled at PG this year, but he's a rookie and certainly can playmake. Long term we might want a two that is mostly a shooter and can be a secondary ball handler. Maybe we get OP Jr. and run Ingles, DM and OP out there.
 
Like if you sub out Ricky for Patrick Beverly how much worse are we? He's always hurt, so that surely factors in, but if you could have Beverly at $6M per year is that better than Rubio at $17M?
 
infection said:
I don't know about that. What I find funny is that a bunch of people talk about Jabari being a distraction because he's Mormon, or at least implying that people really want him because he's Mormon, but if this board is any indication of Jazz fans in general, on here you have most of the Mormon people who are fairly lukewarm on Jabari to outright not wanting him, then you have a bunch of non-Mormons pimping him out to everyone else.
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My concerns about him being a distraction have completely dissipated.

I am surprised more people aren't interested in him at the price being suggested.

The ACL situation is almost completely a non issue to me. He will be recovered by next season and fine. Maybe he is an injury risk but every player is an injury risk, that's the nature of the game.

There is no player with more upside that fits what Snyder wants out of the 4 spot that is attainable imo.

Dude is a real talent. He can create for himself, he can handle the ball, pass, shoot and has decent athleticism. I also think his defense is passable and I think our staff can improve him.

I would prefer Aaron Gordon but I don't think that's a reasonable possibility.

But it depends on the price for Jabari and what we have up. If it's 20 million and under and we only game up favors then done in a heart beat.
 
NUMBERICA said:
At the end of the day, who makes the Jazz better in a fantasy scenario: Middleton or Parker?
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I think Parker can get us much further but is more of a risk to reach his potential.

Middleton is solid but he is capped out and isn't really a huge difference maker. I don't see him being there difference between us and a championship. I think Jabari has the potential to be. Plus Middleton might be the least athletic guy in the NBA. But he is a smart player and could fit in well with this team. So if someone like Exum or someone else developed into an all star then that could get us there.
 
I like Rubio though. Extend him but meh on everything else. No to Parker. We already have 2 injury prone players and we got rid of our 3rd. We don't need to always have 3 injury prone players at all times
 
Ron Mexico said:
The ACL situation is almost completely a non issue to me. He will be recovered by next season and fine. Maybe he is an injury risk but every player is an injury risk, that's the nature of the game.
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Two ACLs in the same knee before the age of 22 is almost a non-issue to you? K
 
Middleton put up 25 a game on 60/61 shooting splits against a very good defensive team in Boston that plays a lot like the GSW defense.

Super small sample size, but incredibly impressive. He's so much better than Jabari it isn't close. Just because he wasn't drafted top 5 and doesn't throw down amazing dunks we don't consider him an all star level player... I think he has an all star level effect and is basically perfect for what we'd need.
 
Gas said:
I like these idea. Pretty good off season.

The Jabari hate around here is so weird. It really seems like its an anti mormon thing or something. I dont get it.

I can understand apprehension about his knee, but the hate was there long before he got hurt so I dont think its all that. If you dont think he is a good basketball player you really dont know what you are talking about. You need to go watch him play with an open mind and let go of your biases.

Jabari is a certified alpha dog player. He was headed to be a top15 player easily before those knee injuries.

Id 100% take that gamble that Cy suggested.

I alos still think you guys need to come around to Mario Hezonja. Who isnt on Jabaris level, but is going to be a good pick uo
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Top 15 easily roflz.
 
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