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The War On Christmas Just Got REAL!

MVP said:
Smart kid.
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...obviously you were devastated by the lie and then "truth" about Santa Claus! However, unlike Santa Claus, (Romans 1:19, 20) . . .God made it clear to them.... For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.
 
carolinajazz said:
...obviously you were devastated by the lie and then "truth" about Santa Claus! However, unlike Santa Claus, (Romans 1:19, 20) . . .God made it clear to them.... For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.
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one of the advantages to raising children in a diverse, multi-cultural environment is that they learn at a very young age that it's all just a matter of what you believe - - my kids had friends from the time they were born who did not celebrate Christian holidays and did not "believe" in Santa Claus - - so whether or not Santa Claus "really" existed didn't make much difference if you didn't believe in him anyhow or celebrate the holiday that he was part of...
 
Trump calling for a boycott and saying the Starbucks in trump tower will not get its lease renewed.

Oh and he said that if he gets elected every business will be saying merry Christmas.
 
Well, there is something a little strange about encouraging belief in Santa, only to pull the rug out from under the belief at some point. Or letting children find out from their peers. I have no personal memory of finding out Santa was not real.

The doctors cited(and one was a philosopher, not MD) might be a bit too concerned, methinks. Millions and millions of us have gone through this "trauma" without really being the worse for it. I should think. I think it might be a different situation if the parents were encouraging such a belief and there was absolutely nothing in the greater culture to support it. But, in fact, Santa is a cultural icon at this time of year in Western culture. So kids see it everywhere, not just their folks telling them "Santa is real".

But it is an odd thing, nonetheless. Disappointing to the kids to some degree. Light bulb goes off: "you mean I didn't really have to worry about being naughty or nice? All I had to do was hit you and dad up for the toys I wanted? Well, that sucks! Last time you catch me being nice for nothin!"


But seriously, I doubt the trauma is that devastating. Most of us seem to get over it. I think I was 38 when my parents told me, lol...
 
Gameface said:
Trump calling for a boycott and saying the Starbucks in trump tower will not get its lease renewed.

Oh and he said that if he gets elected every business will be saying merry Christmas.
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i don't think he can issue an executive order forcing businesses to say "Merry Christmas". And Congress can't legislate it, that's for certain. But, the Donald knows how to tap into anger. Nobody better at that right now.

Judge: So, what's the charge here?
Prosecutor: Failure to say Merry Christmas to their customers, your honor.....
 
Red said:
Well, there is something a little strange about encouraging belief in Santa, only to pull the rug out from under the belief at some point. Or letting children find out from their peers.

Millions and millions of us have gone through this "trauma" without really being the worse for it.

But it is an odd thing, nonetheless. Disappointing to the kids to some degree. Light bulb goes off: "you mean I didn't really have to worry about being naughty or nice? All I had to do was hit you and dad up for the toys I wanted? Well, that sucks! Last time you catch me being nice for nothin!"
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Some very good points and observations there! However, "millions upon millions upon millions" HAVE been effected for the worse by the "Santa Claus" lie/myth since they have since been influenced by or bought into the lie that "God is Dead" or "doesn't even exist" or "we are a product of mindless evolution" "survival of the fittest" etc. over the past 100 years or so!
 
Gameface said:
Trump calling for a boycott and saying the Starbucks in trump tower will not get its lease renewed.

Oh and he said that if he gets elected every business will be saying merry Christmas.
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Because Trump has had huge money all his life he's never had to learn a lesson most of us had to pick up at an early age. It is this:

Just because a thought occurs to you doesn't mean you should immediately say it.
 
I still haven't actually seen anybody be outraged by this.

I have seen a lot of people be outraged about the supposed outrage though, so that's amusing.

It's probably some Starbucks ploy to get people talking about them, and "supporting" them, by buying the blah red cups.

I personally won't buy any coffee at Starbucks because I dislike bad coffee. They suck.
 
carolinajazz said:
.. .God made it clear to them.... For his invisible qualities are clearly seen from the world’s creation onward, because they are perceived by the things made, even his eternal power and Godship, so that they are inexcusable.
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Lol what a load of crap. You getting worse and worse with every post.
 
Howard said:
I still haven't actually seen anybody be outraged by this.

I have seen a lot of people be outraged about the supposed outrage though, so that's amusing.

It's probably some Starbucks ploy to get people talking about them, and "supporting" them, by buying the blah red cups.

I personally won't buy any coffee at Starbucks because I dislike bad coffee. They suck.
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You might wanna see Trump's reaction to this, and the cheers in response to it.
 
How many people really honor Jesus on Christmas anyways? This is a holiday for being with family, and giving presents to who you care about.

On the flip side I'm always annoyed by my agnostic friends that refuse to say Christmas, and go with that Xmas ********!
Get over it! It's just a word. I dont ever think of Jesus when I say Christmas. I think of Christmas!
 
Howard said:
I don't really care what Trump has to say tbh. This is a very minority movement.
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right, so Trump is surely focusing his campaign on messages that will only resonate with a handful of voters. Politics 101 I imagine. The man is ending leases of Starbucks in every tower of his (losing tons of money in the process) in order to win 10 votes.....

The reality is that he's pandering to the swaths of fundamentalist Christians that make up a big chunk of the GOP voter-base.
 
Revolution 9 said:
How many people really honor Jesus on Christmas anyways? This is a holiday for being with family, and giving presents to who you care about.

On the flip side I'm always annoyed by my agnostic friends that refuse to say Christmas, and go with that Xmas ********!
Get over it! It's just a word. I dont ever think of Jesus when I say Christmas. I think of Christmas!
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i say Merry Christmas to everyone. bizarre.
 
Revolution 9 said:
How many people really honor Jesus on Christmas anyways? This is a holiday for being with family, and giving presents to who you care about.

On the flip side I'm always annoyed by my agnostic friends that refuse to say Christmas, and go with that Xmas ********!
Get over it! It's just a word. I dont ever think of Jesus when I say Christmas. I think of Christmas!
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I'm old enough to remember a Christmas that was far less commercialized then it is today. We always exchanged gifts. Always had a tree. But we also knew what day it was in it's religious context. But I was also seeing Christmas through the eyes of a child. Maybe my parents were as put off by "5 more shopping days!!!!" as many are today. Personally, I really dislike the increasing degree of commercializations that has occurred in the decades since it seemed so much simpler. I do not like starting the "Holiday Season" the day after Halloween. I don't like the fact that one day of an entire year becomes the focus of so much retail shopping activity. To the point that Christmas is looked upon as a linchpin to the economy. How will the economy do? It's become more vital to our economy then our spiritual sustenance. That's not a blanket statement. Just in general terms. As one gets older, it has been my experience, I tire of this yearly commercial ritual. Rather tired of a 3 month long commercial ritual dominating the last three months of every year. To the degree it can if you let it. Or, if you feel trapped by it, as I have at times. Enough, already.
 
Howard said:
I still haven't actually seen anybody be outraged by this.

I have seen a lot of people be outraged about the supposed outrage though, so that's amusing.

It's probably some Starbucks ploy to get people talking about them, and "supporting" them, by buying the blah red cups.

I personally won't buy any coffee at Starbucks because I dislike bad coffee. They suck.
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the world is in a constant state of outrage
 
dalamon said:
right, so Trump is surely focusing his campaign on messages that will only resonate with a handful of voters. Politics 101 I imagine. The man is ending leases of Starbucks in every tower of his (losing tons of money in the process) in order to win 10 votes.....

The reality is that he's pandering to the swaths of fundamentalist Christians that make up a big chunk of the GOP voter-base.
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Those people he's supposedly pandering to? That's my group yo, my people. Literally nobody I know is talking about it. Nobody cares. That's what I'm trying to say,

I look forward to you telling me what fundamentalist Christians think tho.
 
Howard said:
Those people he's supposedly pandering to? That's my group yo, my people. Literally nobody I know is talking about it. Nobody cares. That's what I'm trying to say,

I look forward to you telling me what fundamentalist Christians think tho.
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Checkmate
 
If there is a video of Trump making this stupid comment and the audience cheering (I assume there is because Dal says there is, but I don't care to search) I'll bet that if you interviewed the actual people who cheered today, most of them would say it was a stupid comment. Just because the people listening to Trump are entertained by him (and respond the way all people do when they are entertained) does not mean that they agree with every word that comes out of his unfiltered mouth once they have an opportunity to process it.
 
dalamon said:
i say Merry Christmas to everyone. bizarre.
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Me too. And we sit and celebrate with my atheistic family. Nobody ever talks about religious meaning of it, it's just and occasion for us to spend time together and open gifts.
 
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