There is no Tank

[Stoked]

Tanking is intentional.
Besides Corbin will do everything he can to lose with his ridicilous decisions, that means this conversation is moot.
That said, tanking is tanking, and it is intentional.
Unintentional tanking is being plain bad.
Jazz are not bad with Core4-5-6-whatever, so they have to intentionally build up a lousy bench there and let that bench play A LOT!

The FO providing you with crap pieces and you doing your best with them is not the same as making in game decisions to throw the game on purpose. You want to teach the core to scrap and fight every minute and for every win. Not that it is OK to lose., that it is OK to throw games.

There is a fundamental difference. Any attempt to say otherwise holds no water.

 

[Tarkanian]

The FO providing you with crap pieces and you doing your best with them is not the same as making in game decisions to throw the game on purpose. You want to teach the core to scrap and fight every minute and for every win. Not that it is OK to lose., that it is OK to throw games.

There is a fundamental difference. Any attempt to say otherwise holds no water.

I really fail to see any qualitative differences.
They are both intentional endeavors by individuals who happen to work for Jazz organization.
Crappy signings = tanking (agreed)
crappy depth chart & calls = condemnable (nope)

 

[Stoked]

I really fail to see any qualitative differences.
They are both intentional endeavors by individuals who happen to work for Jazz organization.
Crappy signings = tanking (agreed)
crappy depth chart & calls = condemnable (nope)

There is a fundamental difference. Ignore it if you want but I will not. This season will provide numerous chances for both sides to PMS I am sure.

I am not talking about bad calls and a crappy bench. I am talking about the game is on the line and coach takes out Favors and puts in Brickins. Or starts running a line up of Favors, Kanter, Evans, Brickins and Williams...not jsut making a mistake.

 

[Tarkanian]

There is a fundamental difference. Ignore it if you want but I will not. This season will provide numerous chances for both sides to PMS I am sure.

as I toleja before, this discussion is moot, for Corbin will personally and unintentionally lose some games, even if he has your mind set.

 

[Gameface]

The crappy bench is crappy, sure. But I see it more as a gamble. They got many of the players as throwaways from other teams, but many of them have potential upside, so if any of them turn into solid players it's a big win for the Jazz.

The core young guys want to win. They are in a position to make that happen if a few of them are as good as we hope they are. Are they proven in that role? Nope. That's what this season will be, a chance for them to prove to the FO and the league that they are legit. They will only do that by trying as hard as possible to win.

The Jazz FO was careful to not foul the team chemistry. This is our young core's team. That is not a losing on purpose move at all. That is a building a solid foundation for winning move. That is one of the smartest aspects of this rebuild, imo. If it works we will have a team with a true identity, something this team has lacked for years.

There will be growing pains and development struggles, but there will not be tanking. Not by the players for sure. The FO didn't put together a mishmash of mediocre broken players that don't compliment each other, they did the opposite. They have a team that makes sense. All it will take is a couple of them taking that next step and walking through the door that the FO has opened for them. This is all about win.

If this team really does suck then tanking is pointless. That's the silly paradox with most teams that tank for the future. Adding caviar to **** soup doesn't make it gourmet, it's still just a load of **** soup. This team may be a piece or two away from being a real contender, but the FO has been careful not to turn this team into a mess that those pieces could never fix.

You don't send your young core to learn from the team's legends so that you can pull the rug out from under them. You don't bring back your HOF head coach to mentor your current coach because you want him to fail.

Nothing the Jazz are doing looks like losing on purpose to me.

This team is very underrated and the league thinks we're tanking. That could snag us a few wins we didn't expect.

It's all about trying to win and trying to build the team the right way.

THE JAZZ DON'T TANK!

 

[Stoked]

as I toleja before, this discussion is moot, for Corbin will personally and unintentionally lose some games, even if he has your mind set.

And as I told you that is fine. As you yourself have said that is inintentional. Clearly not what I am talking about.

 

[cctrackstar]

The crappy bench is crappy, sure. But I see it more as a gamble.

Agreed, the team isn't tanking, it's gambling. A tanking team doesn't bring in record numbers of free agents to see if they can find the diamond in the rough, because finding that piece could ruin the tank. Also, does anyone pay nearly twenty five million dollars at the beginning of the season for a few picks that won't be very good? NO, you wait until the trade deadline. You do that because you end up paying half of what the original salaries would have been. However, if you actually want these players to play minutes in order to win, guess what, you do it at the beginning of the season. Which they did. They picked up all three of these players with the intention to discover what they had to offer the team, and perhaps even re-sign some of them.

Recap:
Getting draft picks: gamble
Picking up talented players who are underpreforming or injured: gamble
bringing in something like sixty free agents to work out for the team to see if any of them can help the team win: gamble.

THERE IS NO TANK

 

[LogGrad98]

The crappy bench is crappy, sure. But I see it more as a gamble. They got many of the players as throwaways from other teams, but many of them have potential upside, so if any of them turn into solid players it's a big win for the Jazz.

The core young guys want to win. They are in a position to make that happen if a few of them are as good as we hope they are. Are they proven in that role? Nope. That's what this season will be, a chance for them to prove to the FO and the league that they are legit. They will only do that by trying as hard as possible to win.

The Jazz FO was careful to not foul the team chemistry. This is our young core's team. That is not a losing on purpose move at all. That is a building a solid foundation for winning move. That is one of the smartest aspects of this rebuild, imo. If it works we will have a team with a true identity, something this team has lacked for years.

There will be growing pains and development struggles, but there will not be tanking. Not by the players for sure. The FO didn't put together a mishmash of mediocre broken players that don't compliment each other, they did the opposite. They have a team that makes sense. All it will take is a couple of them taking that next step and walking through the door that the FO has opened for them. This is all about win.

If this team really does suck then tanking is pointless. That's the silly paradox with most teams that tank for the future. Adding caviar to **** soup doesn't make it gourmet, it's still just a load of **** soup. This team may be a piece or two away from being a real contender, but the FO has been careful not to turn this team into a mess that those pieces could never fix.

You don't send your young core to learn from the team's legends so that you can pull the rug out from under them. You don't bring back your HOF head coach to mentor your current coach because you want him to fail.

Nothing the Jazz are doing looks like losing on purpose to me.

This team is very underrated and the league thinks we're tanking. That could snag us a few wins we didn't expect.

It's all about trying to win and trying to build the team the right way.

THE JAZZ DON'T OBVIOUSLY TANK!

fIXED

 

[bjunior]

 

[cctrackstar]

what kind of tow do you get for a tank?

 

[Myjazz]

A Tow-Tank!! Silly

 

[Jazz Spazz]

what kind of tow do you get for a tank?

One of these core4 tow trucks.

 

[RJF]

It worked for the Spur(t)s...

 

[Tarkanian]

u guys are not ready for the tank.
ever match lost means another step taken in the direction of a young superstar player (to be drafted and added to the Core5)!
I personally dislike the idea of tanking.
But, if one team is said/claiming to be tanking, they have to do sthg. intentional to lose games, simple as that!
If top brass decides to do so, we as fans should support or get vocal about it!
I chose just to wait and see!
Otherwise, you may remember my writing here and there that Jazz starting-5 is a very good one.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

I stand ready, at the line,
In terms of tank, I redefine,
What it means to be the focal point,
In a chain, the strongest joint.
Such potential and youth, like none before,
I can face what they have in store.

I am Tank, I give my life,
For fans and future, I sacrifice,
My own well being, a silent wall,
I never cry, you won’t hear me call,
For aid, or calls, not a word I shall utter,
And my foes, about me they will mutter.
I do not care, for their age or lore,
I alone can face what they have in store.

So strike me, so fierce and swift,
I have for you, a thorny gift.
For every drop of sweat I shed,
I can say "I never fled".
I simply smirk, and drive to the basket,
With a slow confidence, a question just ask it,
My effort is strong, my will never wavers,
I’m Hayward, Burks, Kanter and Favors.
And when the game becomes such a bore,
I know I've faced all they had in store.

So finally, I walk the line so clear,
From home to foe, our victory near.
What need have I, for Millsaps or Jeffersons?
When my aim is for Parkers or Wiggins.
I will crush our foes with a quick strike or two,
And bring about pain they never knew.
And when they cry "Please, no more."
I will ask "Can you face, what I have in store?"

.

 

[BTP]

Google didn't show any results when inserting excerpts of it. The first two stanzas were real good

 

[Stoked]

u guys are not ready for the tank.
ever match lost means another step taken in the direction of a young superstar player (to be drafted and added to the Core5)!
I personally dislike the idea of tanking.
But, if one team is said/claiming to be tanking, they have to do sthg. intentional to lose games, simple as that!
If top brass decides to do so, we as fans should support or get vocal about it!
I chose just to wait and see!
Otherwise, you may remember my writing here and there that Jazz starting-5 is a very good one.

Oh, I will be vocal alright. But like hell we have to support it. Intentionally losing games is disgraceful and a slap in the face to the league, the sport, the players and the fans. If some of you want to turn the other cheek and ask for another one then be my guest. I do not accept that.

Part of the reason I am a Jazz fan is that the Jazz do things right. If you throw that away you throw away who this team is. No thanks.

 

[UGLI baby]

Oh, I will be vocal alright. But like hell we have to support it. Intentionally losing games is disgraceful and a slap in the face to the league, the sport, the players and the fans. If some of you want to turn the other cheek and ask for another one then be my guest. I do not accept that.

Part of the reason I am a Jazz fan is that the Jazz do things right. If you throw that away you throw away who this team is. No thanks.

Broncos tanked their ballz off for a couple years.


£¥£

 

[Stoked]

Broncos tanked their ballz off for a couple years.


£¥£

They did not make coaching calls to intentionally blow games. Players did not intentionally make bad plays. So it is not what I am talking about but you already knew that. Nice try.

Edit: At first I thought you were passing a message for Goosetree but then I noticed we were talking about the Broncos and not the Bronos.

 

[green]

We have talked about this before, but the Colts and Arizona are the perfect example of tanking. Both the Colts and Cards were tied record wise going into the last game of the season. The Colts packed it in, the Cards went out and played their hearts out and won.

The Colts got Peyton Manning
The Cards got Andre Wadsworth

Then, Payton got hurt. The Colts looked at a draft that had Luck in it. Suck for Luck was born.

Because the Colts decided to tank, the got one of the top 5 all time QB's, a Super Bowl, deep post season runs, etc. Then they tanked again, and got a QB that took them from 2 wins to double digit wins.

If you think tanking is a bad thing, or dishonest, or frowned upon in professional sports...you are kidding yourself.

You could add SA in this example. And Boston. Those two teams tanked and won titles because of it. If the Jazz were trying to win games this year, they would not have let Millsap go. They would not have traded for Biedrens and Jefferson. They wouldn't have let Al walk for nothing. They would not have kept Ty. The Jazz have set themselves up to lose.

I would HATE to hit the point where we are three weeks before the end of the year, have the fifth worst record, and then win 8 of our last 10. That would just be stupid. If we are in the bottom five record wise with a month to go, I want full on tank. I want players sitting out. I want them in suits joking in the third row.

I'd rather have Peyton than Leaf or Wadsworth. Smart teams tank. It's the nature of the beast. It is the ONLY way a small market team can be successful. Heck, even the Phillies tanked this year. They ended up with the 7th pick and if they sign a tendered player, they won't lose a draft pick. That is huge. The system is set up that if you are a small market team, you can only realistically build through the draft. To build through the draft, you have to lose. It's pretty simple.