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Gameface said:
What's your point here? That because Dick Cheney and Fox News did it everyone should be able to do it? Or, is it just a way of telling Stoked to shut up since "his side" has done the same?

Hopefully you can see how destructive this sort of logic is.
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Or the fact the I think the right tramples everything as much as the left. The Patriot Act is the rights baby. But hey lets not get peoples actual stances get in the way or anything.
 
Archie Moses said:
The government can listen to any of my calls they'd like, read my texts (even the sexy picture ones), and follow me on the gps for all I care.

Signed,

Average-pretty-vanilla-American-guy aka Skinny Iranian
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Why doesn't the 4th Amendment matter? Honest question. Do you think the founding fathers we just filling space when they felt the need to add the right to privacy to our Bill of Rights?

Since no one has anything to hide should the police be able to come into our homes and take a look whenever they'd like? Stop us on our way to work and conduct an hour long search of our vehicle? Stop you on the street and have you empty your pockets?

There is a legitimate concern that a tyrannical government could use such power to retain power and uncover dissenters.

We must have the right to own firearms on the off chance that our government could turn against us but we should give that same government the power to verify our innocence, our purity and our patriotism whenever they feel the need and provide them access to every aspect of our lives?

I'd give up the 2nd before I'd give up the 4th, but that's just me I suppose.
 
Gameface said:
Why doesn't the 4th Amendment matter? Honest question. Do you think the founding fathers we just filling space when they felt the need to add the right to privacy to our Bill of Rights?

Since no one has anything to hide should the police be able to come into our homes and take a look whenever they'd like? Stop us on our way to work and conduct an hour long search of our vehicle? Stop you on the street and have you empty your pockets?

There is a legitimate concern that a tyrannical government could use such power to retain power and uncover dissenters.

We must have the right to own firearms on the off chance that our government could turn against us but we should give that same government the power to verify our innocence, our purity and our patriotism whenever they feel the need and provide them access to every aspect of our lives?

I'd give up the 2nd before I'd give up the 4th, but that's just me I suppose.
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I wish to give up neither. (Yes I know that's not how you meant it).
 
Gameface said:
We must have the right to own firearms on the off chance that our government could turn against us but we should give that same government the power to verify our innocence, our purity and our patriotism whenever they feel the need and provide them access to every aspect of our lives?
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Once the government has decided you should be investigated, there is no one whose life is so clean that the government can't find dirt by association and innuendo.
 
Gameface said:
Why doesn't the 4th Amendment matter? Honest question. Do you think the founding fathers we just filling space when they felt the need to add the right to privacy to our Bill of Rights?

Since no one has anything to hide should the police be able to come into our homes and take a look whenever they'd like? Stop us on our way to work and conduct an hour long search of our vehicle? Stop you on the street and have you empty your pockets?

There is a legitimate concern that a tyrannical government could use such power to retain power and uncover dissenters.

We must have the right to own firearms on the off chance that our government could turn against us but we should give that same government the power to verify our innocence, our purity and our patriotism whenever they feel the need and provide them access to every aspect of our lives?

I'd give up the 2nd before I'd give up the 4th, but that's just me I suppose.
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problem is the way things are going you would have to give up both.

let some more schools get shot up. and some more Boston marathon stuff happen and you will (voluntary or forcibly) give up both
 
also 1 thing to note.
there are stupid american laws. but america is also monitoring foreigners who never said foot in the USA. or have nothing to to with us.
yet there are enough stupid American laws(one of the biggest prison systems in the world
eg drug laws.
eg alcohol when 21.
eg if a 19 year old has sex with 17 year old
so what if god forbids(maybe you will find this out there and crazy). america deicdes to force their laws on the world or "particular" countries.
what then

i dont trust governments least of all powerfull governments.

so you gotta nip this in the bud and take down nsa and the government
those are all illegal stuff. but what if i do all those stuff
 
DutchJazzer said:
problem is the way things are going you would have to give up both.

let some more schools get shot up. and some more Boston marathon stuff happen and you will (voluntary or forcibly) give up both
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Well, and for everyone who doesn't want to register their guns yet is meh about the government spying on you I don't get it.

Now, it'd be one thing if this was out in the open and "we the people" had a say and some oversight, but this was done in secret and is not up for review at all. If their acts are just then why does this need to be a secret? Does anyone think that terrorists believe that they aren't being monitored? Does it really hurt to let them know, "yes, you're being monitored"?
 
Gameface said:
Well, and for everyone who doesn't want to register their guns yet is meh about the government spying on you I don't get it.

Now, it'd be one thing if this was out in the open and "we the people" had a say and some oversight, but this was done in secret and is not up for review at all. If their acts are just then why does this need to be a secret? Does anyone think that terrorists believe that they aren't being monitored? Does it really hurt to let them know, "yes, you're being monitored"?
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so what.
if terrotist want to attack again they will..
you think fingerprinting guys would have helped.
all those things done at airport s would not have prevented 911.



monitoring these guys would probably not have helped
 
this is not stopping about the next terroist attack.
or catching child pornographers/predators.

this i s about control.
the government trying to control the people by any means necessary.
that is wrong, and such a government must fall. and those heads of those governments must be executed for treason.
 
I do find it funny that you're harshly criticising America for not being "American" enough by your standards.
 
DutchJazzer, your anger seems a little misguided. Direct it towards the govt. the military wing, not towards the entire country. Iam sure Snowden has a lot of sympathizers in the US, people who look at him as a hero and wonder why there are'nt more whistleblowers likem him. You dont get to be the most powerful country in the world without using any dirty tricks in your arsenal to keep ahead of the game and bullying just about every other country that gets in your way.
In just the last one week US has threatened China, Moscow, Ecuador, Hong Kong and the likes. Thats how it goes Its always been there.
Atleast feel a bit happy that there are a few Assanges and Snowdens out there. Long live their tribe.
 
So far I've seen these people call for Snowden's head:

Diane Feinstein
Lindsey Graham
Nancy Pelosi
Peter King
John Bohener
Chuck Schumer

and some others. But with that list alone I'm instantly siding with Snowden. Siding with those clowns would make me physically ill.
 
Nate505 said:
So far I've seen these people call for Snowden's head:

Diane Feinstein
Lindsey Graham
Nancy Pelosi
Peter King
John Bohener
Chuck Schumer

and some others. But with that list alone I'm instantly siding with Snowden. Siding with those clowns would make me physically ill.
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whatever happened to protect usa. from enemies foreign and domestic.
 
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