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This is the MAN we need at #3 - C Jonas Valanciunas

Im going based on how weak he is and that I believe we already drafted a better version of him in Ante Tomic.

I dont want a weak guy playing center.

So then Carlos Boozer would make a good center? Safe to say he benches around 300+ lbs. His measurements are within an inch of Kanter. We know Kanter is probably done growing, is 18 year old Jonas done putting on weight? What is the more likely to happen?
 
So then Carlos Boozer would make a good center? Safe to say he benches around 300+ lbs. His measurements are within an inch of Kanter. We know Kanter is probably done growing, is 18 year old Jonas done putting on weight? What is the more likely to happen?

But Kanter is better and has a better NBA body.
 
I do like JV's enthusiastic play and he seems like a guy I could cheer for. Dunno. I'm still leaning towards Kanter but we've still got a month.
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=ArzteLRJnTSRWNAk89H7Gqe8vLYF?slug=ycn-8514315

There are five international players - all 6-9 or taller - who are expected to be selected in the lottery a. How they rank in terms of NBA potential is one huge source of debate amongst talent evaluators, but how much is known about their situations off the court will ultimately decide where they're selected.

While only one of them, Enes Kanter, was actually in Chicago, the rest were constantly being discussed.

The main topic: Jonas Valanciunas of Lithuania. He is considered by most teams to be the most intriguing of the bunch. At 6-11, with a reported 7-6 wingspan and a Joakim Noah(notes)-type motor, he's the type of prospect NBA teams have a difficult time getting their hands on outside of the draft. He has repeatedly indicated his desire to move to the NBA and only the NBA, which separates him from the Ricky Rubios and Fran Vazquezes of the world.

Seeing solid playing time for a BC Lietuvos Rytas team that made the top 16 of the Euroleague, and leading the competition in rebounding per minute, he's been seen by everyone. For him, it's his buyout, or lack thereof, that has teams worried.

Rytas has taken a major step forward in resolving the buyout issue in recent days by hiring a European lawyer with significant experience in NBA buyout negotiations. According to sources with knowledge of the situation, Rytas will attempt to structure the buyout on a sliding scale depending on where he gets picked, and are willing to be flexible with Valanciunas on when he can leave the team in case of an NBA lockout, even giving him the opportunity to stay with the team until he signs his rookie contract.

If his buyout situation will be resolved in a timely fashion, look for Valanciunas to be drafted somewhere between Nos. 3 and 8 overall. He's ahead of Enes Kanter on both Cleveland and Toronto's boards according to reports and has huge fans in Detroit's front office as well.

Valanciunas has three more years on his contract after this current season, with no buyout option. His American agent Leon Rose of CAA has been negotiating with the team for the better part of the year Most of the dispute revolves around when the buyout will be paid. The team, which is in serious financial trouble, wants the money now, not when he joins the NBA. It's asking for a percentage of Valanciunas' rookie contract. An agreement could have already been reached some time ago but the team has sent mixed messages.

Most expect a deal to be struck no more than a week before the draft. Valanciunas falling in the draft will only hurt Rytas' cause as not only will it lose significant respect from fans and constituents in basketball-crazy Lithuania, but it'll also hurt its chances of landing the next great young local prospect with NBA aspirations. Furthermore, being drafted lower results in a smaller contract.
 
After researching JV for awhile I started to see a combination of Noah and Biedrins in him. Then I went to DX and that's what they describe his ceiling as. So I think I must be getting a pretty good picture of this guy. Except his fantastic FT% is way ahead of both Biedrins and Noah. Sheesh - 91%.

Then Kanter. Not sure. I think he reminds me of Boozer only taller. Word is he takes it easy on defense sometimes, whereas JV does not. So many people say JV tries too hard on defense, which they think will translate to a lot of fouls early in his career. But he's supposed to have a high bbIQ so people think he'll figure it out eventually. Bla bla bla, yeah he's a project but I can see why some have him ranked above Kanter.

But a taller Boozer is still fantastic. And Kanter might be better in crunchtime and have the ability to play defense, even if he doesn't have the rep for it. Boozer was a turnover machine in crunch time. Sheesh, it drove me crazy. I don't get the impression Kanter will have that problem but that's just based on my psychic ability.

I'm rambling. I still have no idea what I think about these guys. Other than I don't want to use the #3 on a PG.
 
I still think Biedrins would have been a top defensive center in this league if he actually cared. He has even less heart than AK does now.
 
section from DX re: JV's defense

Many on realgm say he's got a high bbIQ, but this seems to indicate he doesn't.
btw, The thread on him at realgm is great. These people seem to know JV's and Kanter's games better than we do and they argue back and forth, with the occasional american getting a xenophobic word in here and there.
The rest of Valanciunas' game needs refinement, particularly his ball-handling and passing abilities. He turns the ball over at a pretty high rate and definitely has a ways to go in terms of improving his basketball IQ and overall experience level.
The place this seems to show up most is on the defensive end. Valanciunas is a major presence in the paint with his terrific size and length. His mobility helps him out quite a bit as well. He can contest shots around the rim and has good timing for blocking shots, even if he's not what you would call a high-flyer.
With that said, he's not the smartest, most reactive player you'll find right now, especially on the perimeter, which can lead to some poor rotations and open shots for opponents.
Interestingly enough, even when you see him getting beat at times outside the paint he still has the ability to recover and make a play at the rim, which is a testament to his foot speed and wingspan.
Nevertheless, he's still gaining experience and learning the nuances of the game on this end, which is one of the main things holding him back from getting even more playing time for Rytas.
Inside the paint, Valanciunas is a frequent target for opposing teams to post up due to his narrow frame and lack of experience, especially in the Euroleague, where almost every team has a bulky old school back-to-the-basket pivot who can simply overpower Valanciunas in one-on-one situations.
That's a big reason why Valanciunas has had consistent foul problems over the course of the year -- another reason that his playing time has been limited. In the Euroleague, for example, he commits approximately one foul for every 4 minutes he's on the court.
Despite the negatives described here, Valanciunas is undoubtedly an outstanding prospect, especially when we consider that he doesn't turn 19 until May. Players with his combination of size, length, mobility, toughness and budding skills are extremely difficult to come by.
The fact that he's producing at the rate he is in the Euroleague, Lithuanian league, and VTB League at his age is an extremely positive sign. Considering the tools he has, it's safe to say that his upside to continue to improve is huge.
It's easy to see him developing into an Andris Biedrins-type rebounder/defender/hustler in the NBA, but he likely has more even potential offensively than the Latvian big man due to his superior hands and touch (he probably has more of a nasty streak too).
 
After researching JV for awhile I started to see a combination of Noah and Biedrins in him. Then I went to DX and that's what they describe his ceiling as. So I think I must be getting a pretty good picture of this guy. Except his fantastic FT% is way ahead of both Biedrins and Noah. Sheesh - 91%.

Then Kanter. Not sure. I think he reminds me of Boozer only taller. Word is he takes it easy on defense sometimes, whereas JV does not. So many people say JV tries too hard on defense, which they think will translate to a lot of fouls early in his career. But he's supposed to have a high bbIQ so people think he'll figure it out eventually. Bla bla bla, yeah he's a project but I can see why some have him ranked above Kanter.

But a taller Boozer is still fantastic. And Kanter might be better in crunchtime and have the ability to play defense, even if he doesn't have the rep for it. Boozer was a turnover machine in crunch time. Sheesh, it drove me crazy. I don't get the impression Kanter will have that problem but that's just based on my psychic ability.

I'm rambling. I still have no idea what I think about these guys. Other than I don't want to use the #3 on a PG.

I agree with everything you say except there is the need factor which must come into play since Favors is the one player which we will not be moved no matter what. That means either Favors or Kanter will have to play the majority of minutes at center. Kanter has publicly said he wants to play PF...hint hint....he knows he won't be much of a help defending center. Favors has the length to play center and contest shots, but would have to bulk up and could lose his amazing athleticism by doing so. Thats not ideal either. I like size and athleticism mismatch of Favors at PF. A Favors/Kanter front court could be workable, it certainly would be better defensively than Okur/Boozer, but is it big enough in the long term to go deep in the playoffs? I don't really factor Jefferson into the picture since I'm looking very far down the road (4+ years).
 
I agree with everything you say except there is the need factor which must come into play since Favors is the one player which we will not be moved no matter what. That means either Favors or Kanter will have to play the majority of minutes at center. Kanter has publicly said he wants to play PF...hint hint....he knows he won't be much of a help defending center. Favors has the length to play center and contest shots, but would have to bulk up and could lose his amazing athleticism by doing so. Thats not ideal either. I like size and athleticism mismatch of Favors at PF. A Favors/Kanter front court could be workable, it certainly would be better defensively than Okur/Boozer, but is it big enough in the long term to go deep in the playoffs? I don't really factor Jefferson into the picture since I'm looking very far down the road (4+ years).

Yeah, you're bringing up concerns I've had. I would prefer Favors at PF but I think he is stronger defensively than both Kanter AND JV. So maybe it's best to put him at C. But I'd rather someone else took that spot. Which suits JV - but he's not quite ready, he still needs time to bulk up some more. bla bla ramble ramble.

Favors/Kantor is much better than Okur/Boozer because they're taller for one. Boozer is so the suck on defense whereas Favors is the opposite. Kanter might be on par with Okur, which at least is better than Boozer. Okur really sucked on D at first but he got better over the years just because he tried, in spite of his limited athleticism. If Kanter will try then that should be good. I don't know enough about Kanter's d though other than his rep for slacking off sometimes.

Either Kanter or JV will be better than what the Jazz have had. I'm not sure what that does for the Jazz in the playoffs though. It's the hand they're dealt so they gotta pick one and hope. ...I'm really sweating this JV vs. Kanter thing. But on the surface I'd probably go with Kanter. Nevertheless I'm not done researching.
 
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