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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

Corbin is not a coach.

he sucks

The Kings trailed by one point with 51 seconds left. Dallas ran down the clock until Dirk Nowitzki missed a one-legged fader. But the loose ball was tapped deep into the backcourt, where Chandler Parsons tracked it down. Twenty-five seconds left, Dallas by one. Sacramento has a foul to give, and the Kings' Ray McCallum does so with 19 seconds left. There's a four-second differential between the shot clock and game clock, and Sacramento has plenty of timeouts.

Corbin has two options. He can foul immediately on the inbounds to put a Mav on the line with 16-18 seconds left and no worse than a three-point deficit, or he can let the shot clock run down, pray that the Mavericks miss and the Kings get the rebound and call a quick timeout, giving Sacramento a final chance to win.

Instead, Corbin chose Door No. 3: He let 10 seconds run off the clock before telling McCallum to foul Ellis.

Ellis hit both, and Rick Carlisle took the opportunity to intentionally foul Darren Collison given how little time was left. The Mavericks won by four and the Kings never even got a chance to tie or go ahead in that final minute.

Now if Corbin had explained that there was a miscommunication, that he intended to let the Mavericks shoot but saw something he didn't like, that he wanted his team to try to trap or whatever, you could almost understand.

Instead, this was Corbin's rationale. "Ty Corbin said when he saw Dallas take their time on final play, then decided to foul Monta Ellis"

So Corbin thought a veteran team coached by Rick Carlisle might rush up a shot with a 4-second shot clock differential and a one-point lead.

... what?


END of discussion about 3 years of coaching and thats his thinking?




HE SUCKS



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Snyder is on record as saying that they were going to go heavy on practice and film sessions this year. He reference their youth as both a need and an asset in that decision.

This is something that I approve of. Especially with the youngest players getting the bulk of the minutes. Get these kids the experience. Put it on film. Teach them what they're doing wrong (or right) and practice accordingly. Continue to evaluate and then build on that for the next game. Then repeat the process with each game, trying to get incrementally better with each one. So far it's working masterfully.

Quin is a leader and a teacher. And it shows in how he interacts with his players. Things will only get better with more experience together and better chemistry. These kids may have a lot of experience, but they are still young. One of the youngest teams in the league. Some nights they look like it (like tonight) and some nights their development looks light years ahead (like against Charlotte.) I think light years is the immediate future, and based on their improvement I ER the course of this season, I think they'll start playing like a good, confident team starting next year.
 
I think that's worth wondering over, but at the end of the day I don't buy it. Don't forget these guys practice more than they play, and it's not going to click in game if it's not clicking in practice. Besides, if he was given more minutes last season then who do they get taken away from without hurting the rest of the young players?

Well, another way to look at that would be that practices this year must be far more effective than practices last year, considering his jump in performance.

As far as taking minutes away, there were plenty being given to rented vets. Did us no good.
 
It took Gobert what, about 1/3 of a season to really get going. Could he have done that last year with a solid chunk of starters minutes to get him going? Good question. I think there is a decent chance that it would have helped him a lot. What if he were at current, or close to current, form at the start of this season due to extra PT last year to work out the kinks?

This is all hindsight, though. At the time, Kanter was more time sensitive as an asset. Same thing with this season. Everybody knew Rudy deserved the starting role, but Utah was trying not to lose Kanter for nothing. To me, that suggests that the coach and GM are on the same page, otherwise if it was just about winning, I'd have to believe that Quin would have made the change sooner.
 
This is all hindsight, though. At the time, Kanter was more time sensitive as an asset. Same thing with this season. Everybody knew Rudy deserved the starting role, but Utah was trying not to lose Kanter for nothing. To me, that suggests that the coach and GM are on the same page, otherwise if it was just about winning, I'd have to believe that Quin would have made the change sooner.

Of course it is hindsight, but also insight into different philosophies. And if it were purely a question of Kanter plays OR Rudy plays and there was no other factors that is dead on. But there was no reason both Kanter and Gobert couldn't have gotten minutes last season at the expense of playing rented vets. But imo Corbin inherited a belief that young players are best developed by spending a few seasons watching before playing, and I disagree with that philosophy. Look at Williams playing behind McLeod and Palacio of all people. You might say it lit a fire in him to compete. You could also say it was minutes wasted on a 2nd year guard over your star rookie PG, while the other star guard from that draft was handed the reigns and leapt to the top. You could also say that lighting that fire also lit a fire of resentment when he saw how crappy the 2 guys were getting minutes ahead of him.

It's gotta be tailored to the player, and the same rigid system does not work for every player. But imo cutting a young players minutes, unless he or the team obviously will not benefit from it (like for perennial D league players or if your team is already a contender) does more to hurt development than help it.
 
How anybody can believe that this season has vindicated Corbin in any way is beyond my comprehension. Not only is it crystal clear that the Jazz are better off with their current coaching staff, but Corbin somehow got another head gig this season and failed at that one too. Vindication is the exact opposite of what this season has done for Ty Corbin.
 
How anybody can believe that this season has vindicated Corbin in any way is beyond my comprehension. Not only is it crystal clear that the Jazz are better off with their current coaching staff, but Corbin somehow got another head gig this season and failed at that one too. Vindication is the exact opposite of what this season has done for Ty Corbin.

I will not hold Corbin accountable for that fiasco at all, not even 1%. In fact the way the Kings did Corbin is shameful imo. They stuck him in as HC after rashly firing the current coach. Then as soon as they did they very publicly started wooing George Karl. Corbin never, ever got a fair shake or chance from the Kings.
 
I will not hold Corbin accountable for that fiasco at all, not even 1%. In fact the way the Kings did Corbin is shameful imo. They stuck him in as HC after rashly firing the current coach. Then as soon as they did they very publicly started wooing George Karl. Corbin never, ever got a fair shake or chance from the Kings.
Of course, because none of us saw that coming, did we.
 
Of course, because none of us saw that coming, did we.

We all saw it coming but I'm not gonna use it as an indicator of Corbins coaching ability. I will use his tenure witt the Jazz and based on that performance I am glad he is gone and thrilled with SNyder.
 
I will not hold Corbin accountable for that fiasco at all, not even 1%. In fact the way the Kings did Corbin is shameful imo. They stuck him in as HC after rashly firing the current coach. Then as soon as they did they very publicly started wooing George Karl. Corbin never, ever got a fair shake or chance from the Kings.

I say sure, give Ty a free pass. But one thing is for sure, he didn't use his freebie to do anything to boost his resume. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the goal the Jazz organization had last year and saw it as a no-win situation. It was only a no-win if Corbin either thought he was being assessed based on number of wins or if he knew he couldn't get the team to develop a defensive identity. He basically had a free pass last year to get creative with a team no one expected to win. Instead he coached the team like they were in a "win now" situation when they were set up for development and not winning now.

I'd put money on him being the very worst HC in the history of the NBA when it comes to short clock situations and end of game/qtr.

Ty lacks creativity and apparently situational awareness.
 
I say sure, give Ty a free pass. But one thing is for sure, he didn't use his freebie to do anything to boost his resume. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the goal the Jazz organization had last year and saw it as a no-win situation. It was only a no-win if Corbin either thought he was being assessed based on number of wins or if he knew he couldn't get the team to develop a defensive identity. He basically had a free pass last year to get creative with a team no one expected to win. Instead he coached the team like they were in a "win now" situation when they were set up for development and not winning now.

I'd put money on him being the very worst HC in the history of the NBA when it comes to short clock situations and end of game/qtr.

Ty lacks creativity and apparently situational awareness.

I agree that Ty did nothing with the Kings to improve his resume. Is Ty even on staff anywhere?
 
I agree that Ty did nothing with the Kings to improve his resume. Is Ty even on staff anywhere?

When George Karl got hired the Kings made Ty an advisor to the front office, which probably really just means they're just paying him. Assistant coaches usually don't get hired during the season.
 
Even though the OP is completely wrong, I'm surprised nobody has posted this yet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf5qrVdD9E0
 
Last year Rudy got a whopping 10 minutes a game under Ty, and had plenty of DNPs. Evans got 18.3. I actually like Evans more than many people here do, but that's coaching malpractice there.

Compared to say Dante this season. He's getting 21 minutes a game this season, and probably doesn't deserve that many. But he's getting them, because developing him is critical to the future success of this team.

Well, another way to look at that would be that practices this year must be far more effective than practices last year, considering his jump in performance.

As far as taking minutes away, there were plenty being given to rented vets. Did us no good.

Too much speculation for me. There's a much simpler explanation anyway. That, and you seem to have completely forgotten just how bad Rudy was a lot of the time last season. Exciting, sure, but bad at many things.

Gobert is a confident dude, and if anything, Quin pushed that confidence up a notch when the time was right. He had to gain muscle and quit getting bullied, and quit making stupid fouls and going for pump fakes. He proved he could do that two months into the season and then Quin pushed him to use his confidence to full effect by playing his game without limitations.

As much as you think there is a what if here, Corbin just did not have that opportunity last year. If he had, there is a good likelihood Kanter gets benched sooner, and also that he isn't fired for his lack of defensive identity. It's pretty damn easy to defend the perimeter when the opposing team is scared ****less of driving on Gobert and Favors (James Harden hahalmafo).
 
I say sure, give Ty a free pass. But one thing is for sure, he didn't use his freebie to do anything to boost his resume. Just like he couldn't wrap his mind around the goal the Jazz organization had last year and saw it as a no-win situation. It was only a no-win if Corbin either thought he was being assessed based on number of wins or if he knew he couldn't get the team to develop a defensive identity. He basically had a free pass last year to get creative with a team no one expected to win. Instead he coached the team like they were in a "win now" situation when they were set up for development and not winning now.

I'd put money on him being the very worst HC in the history of the NBA when it comes to short clock situations and end of game/qtr.

Ty lacks creativity and apparently situational awareness.

Again, this narrative fails to account for the growth that the vets assisted the young guys with. Corbin played vets over undeserving rookies and youngins to keep some semblance of a system for these kids to learn from and grow within.


What you and Log are asking for is Corbin to go the Philadelphia route. Go back in time and watch them "develop" talent the last couple seasons and then come back and tell me you still hate the way Ty did it. Besides, as GVC has pointed out a million times, Corbin never played vets over the young guys. They were complimentary both from a minutes standpoint and usage rate. No other team in the NBA had 5 guys averaging double figures shot attempts per game (Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke).
 
Too much speculation for me. There's a much simpler explanation anyway. That, and you seem to have completely forgotten just how bad Rudy was a lot of the time last season. Exciting, sure, but bad at many things.

Gobert is a confident dude, and if anything, Quin pushed that confidence up a notch when the time was right. He had to gain muscle and quit getting bullied, and quit making stupid fouls and going for pump fakes. He proved he could do that two months into the season and then Quin pushed him to use his confidence to full effect by playing his game without limitations.

As much as you think there is a what if here, Corbin just did not have that opportunity last year. If he had, there is a good likelihood Kanter gets benched sooner, and also that he isn't fired for his lack of defensive identity. It's pretty damn easy to defend the perimeter when the opposing team is scared ****less of driving on Gobert and Favors (James Harden hahalmafo).
THAT's too much speculation for you? A guy who guesses that the worst coach in the league last year would have more wins with our current roster than our current coach? Who has this team performing far better than any team Corbin ever coached.
 
Again, this narrative fails to account for the growth that the vets assisted the young guys with. Corbin played vets over undeserving rookies and youngins to keep some semblance of a system for these kids to learn from and grow within.


What you and Log are asking for is Corbin to go the Philadelphia route. Go back in time and watch them "develop" talent the last couple seasons and then come back and tell me you still hate the way Ty did it. Besides, as GVC has pointed out a million times, Corbin never played vets over the young guys. They were complimentary both from a minutes standpoint and usage rate. No other team in the NBA had 5 guys averaging double figures shot attempts per game (Hayward, Favors, Kanter, Burks, Burke).
My comment doesn't really have anything to do with vets vs rookies. Corbin just seemed, from my perspective, to lack creativity. He also seemed especially bad at preparing the team for short clock situations. He took very few chances and ran the team according to the book. The old book.
 
Posting in this abomination of a thread. Franklin was so off base with this post that I hope he doesn't use the same judgement with life decisions. There's a very good chance he spent his kid's college money on a get rich quick scheme.

In regards to Mr. Snyder, he has done everything I've wanted him to do in splendid fashion. Has he been perfect? No. But he has been light years ahead of Mr. Corbin.

Edited to add: I will continue to support Snyder and his penchant for getting the most out of our Jazz players...until I don't.
 
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I was a more insightful coach for my ten year old daughter's soccer team than Corbin was for the Jazz... and I hardly ever even played or watched soccer before coaching it. Listening to Corbin's post game comments as a fan used to be an excruciating experience. Imagine being a player and having to endure daily platitudes from Kermit the Frog. Or am I the only one who thinks that listening to Snyder speak is on an entirely different plane than listening to a Corbin. It's like listening to George Costanza v.s. Stephen Hawking discussing cosmology. As ridiculous as most of us fans think that the OP's assertions are, I'll bet the players would think they are absolutely moronic.
 
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