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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

Regardless of what all of us back seat coaches think the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The rest of the NBA apparently also cannot see Corbins greatness. He isn't even coaching now. That is not far off of those players that have a decent season or 2, make some headlines, then end up playing in China.


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LogGrad98 said:
Regardless of what all of us back seat coaches think the proof of the pudding is in the eating. The rest of the NBA apparently also cannot see Corbins greatness. He isn't even coaching now. That is not far off of those players that have a decent season or 2, make some headlines, then end up playing in China.


And wow does the newest version of Android swype keyboard suck at getting the word right.
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He was promoted and fired in the same season by the worst ran team in the league. It's not exactly the best time to find a new job.
 
This recent losing streak shows the strengths of Corbin's system vs. Quin's no system offense. I'm going to dance lightly on these eggshells so the knee-jerk responses might be a little better thought out instead.

Quin's read react offense fails badly when Hayward is having a bad night or is not there. Corbin's more reserved, conservative system could have kept the Jazz in a couple of these games while controlling tempo. That's the trade-off between the two. No way Corbin loses to Minnesota with 7 players or barely squeeze 80 points out against LA.


They say live by the 3 and die by the 3. Quin is living and dying by Hayward's play.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Don't forget about DMC. Carroll was a high-energy, but not really all that impactful sub with Utah. He averaged 17 mins and 6.0 pts. per game: scrub numbers. He had no range. He works with Quin for ONE season and becomes a pretty good starter who shoots 36% on his 3's (and up to 39% this season).
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Trust me, stats didn't reflect how good he was here. Its kinda how Millsap is now-- do stats reflect his game? Only Carroll was even better than Sap.


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franklin said:
This recent losing streak shows the strengths of Corbin's system vs. Quin's no system offense. I'm going to dance lightly on these eggshells so the knee-jerk responses might be a little better thought out instead.

Quin's read react offense fails badly when Hayward is having a bad night or is not there. Corbin's more reserved, conservative system could have kept the Jazz in a couple of these games while controlling tempo. That's the trade-off between the two. No way Corbin loses to Minnesota with 7 players or barely squeeze 80 points out against LA.


They say live by the 3 and die by the 3. Quin is living and dying by Hayward's play.
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Disagree. Any coach will have troubles winning games when your best playmaker in positions 1-3 is Joe Ingles.

Hood, Burks, Hayward out. Trey goes 4/22. Exum is allergic to scoring.

Ingles dropped 18 on them and we still lost. Cotton is a D-League player, Clark is a scrub. How could we win a game with this sort of playmaking? Rely on Elijah "27 year old rookie" Millsap?


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akirac73 said:
Those "pretty damn good shooting situations" couldn't have been all that great...DMC's 3pt % worsened under Corbin, DMC shot 36.8% in year one under Corbin, then dropped to 28.6% in year 2. Once Carroll left Utah and played for a real coach his 3pt shooting percentages increased close to 40%. Where do you come up with this crap?
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Solid box score ballin. Everyone knows Carroll improved, cut the crap.

Under Corbin, Carroll went from a .37% 2 point shooter to over 50% on 3 times the shots. Yet the year he shot 19 3 pointers and happened to make a few is what you're focusing on? Get real.


Granted, I don't actually credit Corbin with improving Carroll any more than I credit Quin for Gobert's breakout. However, Corbin did use Carroll the best he possibly could just as Quin is using Gobert on all these weak side cleanup "Kobe assist" rebound buckets.
 
Sota was bleeding players, of course-- but Wiggins & LaVine are in different stratospheres than any of our playmakers that we had in offense last night.

All they needed to do was double Favors in order to win. Ingles damn near won the game for us.


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dalamon said:
Disagree. Any coach will have troubles winning games when your best playmaker in positions 1-3 is Joe Ingles.

Hood, Burks, Hayward out. Trey goes 4/22. Exum is allergic to scoring.

Ingles dropped 18 on them and we still lost. Cotton is a D-League player, Clark is a scrub. How could we win a game with this sort of playmaking? Rely on Elijah "27 year old rookie" Millsap?


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By running set plays that have higher scoring consistency.

I prefer this offense. I'm only outlining the trade-offs coaches make. I would have brought this up earlier but I doubt anyone would take me seriously, or care about it at all. Quin's system is pretty vanilla thus far and relies on Hayward making plays. I'm interested to see if he can build on this by adding some options, or even some semblance other than freelancing all the time. They're framework is there with a big catching high outside the arc to initiate action, but there's not much more going on as far as I can tell.
 
From this interview:

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?39609-Quin-Snyder-Interview

Utah’s pick-and-roll defense last season was among the worst in the NBA, per Synergy Sports, particularly against roll men in Corbin’s trapping scheme, to whom the Jazz allowed a gross 51.5 percent shooting. They were 27th for per-possession efficiency allowed to roll men, and 26th against pick-and-roll ball-handlers. This year, with much of the same personnel, they’re 12th against ball-handlers, and third overall versus opposing roll men, cutting that ugly 51.5 percent figure down to 42.1 percent,
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Quin's plan, from SportsNight:

"Technically, I have a plan." -Casey
"What's the plan?" -Dan
"It's Napolean's plan." -Casey
"Who's Napolean?" -Dan
"A 19th century French emporer." -Casey
"You crackin' wise with me now?" -Dan
"He is." -Casey
"Thanks." -Dan
"He had a two-part plan." -Casey
"What was it?" -Dan
"First we show up, then we see what happens." -Casey
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Beat a playoff teamusing dleague players? No big deal. Ty Corbin could have won that game last night using junior jazz kids and Enes Kanter. Yeah, that's it.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
Remember: Utah would have had to win FORTY for Franklin to admit he was wrong...


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He probably feels lucky that he gets to hang on to his delusion for the off-season. I'm sure some other team will soon recognize Corbin's greatness and give him another chance, right?
 
Watcher said:
Beat a playoff teamusing dleague players? No big deal. Ty Corbin could have won that game last night using junior jazz kids and Enes Kanter. Yeah, that's it.
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Under last year's HC, that future HOF Tyrone Corbin, Jazz team of last night against Portland would have been down by 30 sometime in the 2nd quarter and would have lost by the same amount. All the while playing some useless vets to provide "leadership". LMAO.
 
zman1527 said:
Under last year's HC, that future HOF Tyrone Corbin, Jazz team of last night against Portland would have been down by 30 sometime in the 2nd quarter and would have lost by the same amount. All the while playing some useless vets to provide "leadership". LMAO.
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Hayward and Favors never sit last night under our old coach.
 
gregbroncs said:
Hayward and Favors never sit last night under our old coach.
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But Gobert never starts. Even without Kanter, it's Favors and Booker (or Evans) starting. Gobert isn't a vet. And Hood...just forgetaboutit; he's riding the pine.


To be fair to franklin, this season is really a vindication of how bad Kanter was/is on defense. No, I don't think Corbin was a very good coach. But he wasn't as bad as some have painted. Jazz needed to make a change and Snyder is far better for this team than Corbin would have been. But the personnel this season is a LOT different. Just put this season's Hayward and Gobert on last year's team and that gives them five more wins.
 
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