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This season will vindicate Ty Corbin

Eenie-Meenie said:
So I suppose you were a member of the board then? If not, you don't know what you're talking about. I joined this board I think it was in its second year, might've been the first year, but it was not long after it was established. Things did change when Deron joined the Jazz. There was little hostility up to that time.
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Maybe it has to do more with a younger demographic. I've been around for quite awhile and there was a huge loss of the "old guard" several years back. Just go to the "whatever happened to" thread and you'll see the solid posters this board has lost. There have always been board crazies. The Arroyo era brought a bunch. Personally, I find franklin to be very knowledgeable. I don't agree with his support of Corbin, nor his trigger finger on the neg button. I generally have a rule never to neg someone for expressing an opinion, but I will return fire. I'm convinced franklin knows Ty in some capacity. I don't see him as much different from the rabid supporters we've had of AK, Boozer, etc.

This board has some built-in hostility already (BYU vs. Utah; Mormon vs. anti-Mormon). Don't necessarily understand why we can't all respect each others opinions, but I know I've probably offended a few at times. Unfortuantely, there are always going to be a few whose sole purpose in their internet life is to stir up trouble. I don't consider franklin to be one of those, however.
 
heyhey said:
There was a point when this was true but Franklin is just trollin the whole board now. He started this thread within mins of a loss. Franklin does make good points and is generally a poster worth reading but he needs to give this Corbin thing a rest already. I don't think Frank is the sensitive type anyway. He isn't going to talk to a therapist about this. He'll be ok.
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It had nothing to do with the loss. I started it at the beginning of the season because I put my money where my mouth is. What value would I bring if they start out 5 and 25? Saying "I told you so" after the fact is a copout.
 
VINYLONE said:
Shouldn't the use of Gobert this preseason and regular season be enough proof that Corbin was mediocre at best?
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What? No coach in their right mind would have played Gobert much more last season. Combine that with the fact that the team has stank while Gobert has been on the floor this season... you just proved the opposite of what you set out to do.
 
Hack said:
Remember how Corbin would draw up end of game plays? He didn't actually.


Thats why we never had any game winners with him. He couldn't draw up a play to save his life. Execution at the end of games was terrible.
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Utah was consistently one of the league's best 4th quarter teams under Corbin. How quickly fans forget the terribly slow starts followed by killer 2nd halves.
 
While the basketball product was not much last season, it was at least entertaining to read the "fire Crobain" threads all the time. I never thought Corbin was going to be the guy to lead us to a championship, but he might turn out to be a decent coach yet. No one in there right mind would think the team assembled last year was going to win more than they did, especially when Trey was injured and we had no point guards.
 
I wasn't on this forum last year, but were people really wanting the Jazz to win last season? I cringed every time we got a victory because that meant less of chance at winning the lottery. But from the looks of this board and the Corbin hate, it seems like people still wanted us to win...
 
magic said:
I wasn't on this forum last year, but were people really wanting the Jazz to win last season? I cringed every time we got a victory because that meant less of chance at winning the lottery. But from the looks of this board and the Corbin hate, it seems like people still wanted us to win...
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We were riggin for wiggins, playin sorry for jabari, hex em for exum, low seed for embiid, etc. Wanting to lose, but being upset with the way we were losing pretty much defines the sentiments of most.
 
magic said:
I wasn't on this forum last year, but were people really wanting the Jazz to win last season? I cringed every time we got a victory because that meant less of chance at winning the lottery. But from the looks of this board and the Corbin hate, it seems like people still wanted us to win...
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Corbin was not trying to lose though.
Also he was the head coach of the jazz for more than one year.

Last nights game is the best time i have had watching a jazz game in about 4 years.



Edit: Also, while we were rooting for losses to move up in the lottery and aquire a talented player, we were also rooting for losses because we were ready for the corbin era to be over and figured losing alot would also help with that
 
Sexual Favors said:
We were riggin for wiggins, playin sorry for jabari, hex em for exum, low seed for embiid, etc. Wanting to lose, but being upset with the way we were losing pretty much defines the sentiments of most.
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And that's what cost Corbin his job. Lindsey's directive had ZERO to do with wins and losses. He knew he had provided Ty with a non-existent bench. Lindsey came right out and said before the season even began that defense and development would be the keys. Jazz ha a whole season to see if Kanter and Burks could be starters along with Favors and Hayward - and Burke once his finger healed. A whole year to develop chemistry by playing the "core" together. Instead, Corbin immediately blames Kanter for the slow start (even though we had a brutal schedule and two Rec-league PG's). then gives a major role to RJ. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't RJ have one of the worst defensive ratings for a SF in the league? Ty could have easily kept his job. It seemed like he did everything he could to have the Millers NOT offer him a new contract.
 
And another thing, I know that alot of people want to say "he was not that bad of a coach", or that jazz fans are sheep and just go with the flock and pile on corbin when he is actually a good coach (as frank would have you believe)

Truth is that there have been numerous articles by the national media talking about corbin being a bad coach.
I remember watching games and hearing the announcers of the other team or the national tv announcers criticizing corbins decisions.
Also, if the jazz wanted to sign him to a new deal at the end of the year then im pretty certain they could have, but they didn't. So jazz management also didn't think he was very good.
And finally, how many teams were calling corbin and trying to get him to be thier next head coach? Not very many. That tends to happen when you have one of the worst offenses and worst defenses in the league while at the same time having more lottery talent than most teams in the league.
 
Sexual Favors said:
We were riggin for wiggins, playin sorry for jabari, hex em for exum, low seed for embiid, etc. Wanting to lose, but being upset with the way we were losing pretty much defines the sentiments of most.
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fishonjazz said:
Corbin was not trying to lose though.
Also he was the head coach of the jazz for more than one year.

Last nights game is the best time i have had watching a jazz game in about 4 years.



Edit: Also, while we were rooting for losses to move up in the lottery and aquire a talented player, we were also rooting for losses because we were ready for the corbin era to be over and figured losing alot would also help with that
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Oh alright, I assumed that Corbin was trying to lose. I was annoyed he was playing the old players instead of developing the younger players. So perhaps playing the old players was his way of trying to win.

But yeah I totally agree that we needed a new coaching system.
 
fishonjazz said:
how many teams were calling corbin and trying to get him to be thier next head coach? Not very many. That tends to happen when you have one of the worst offenses and worst defenses in the league while at the same time having more lottery talent than most teams in the league.
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Corbin was a very highly-rated assistant. I still think he COULD become a very good NBA coach. Remember, Jerry Sloan was fired from his first job with Chicago. What I think needs to happen is for Ty to work under a variety of coaches. He needs to learn different systems and then implement according to the talent he has if given another chance. Ty's mistake was trying to be Jerry Jr. The game has changed, and he didn't have a Stockton and Malone.
 
What record or objective measurement at the end of the season would you consider a vindication of Corbin? I think a lot of people are mad at Corbin not because of the losing record, but because he started Richard Jefferson and Marvin Williams instead of developing our young core in a season when it was universally accepted that our win-loss record should take a back seat to development and getting a nice pick out of a strong draft class.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Corbin was a very highly-rated assistant. I still think he COULD become a very good NBA coach. Remember, Jerry Sloan was fired from his first job with Chicago. What I think needs to happen is for Ty to work under a variety of coaches. He needs to learn different systems and then implement according to the talent he has if given another chance. Ty's mistake was trying to be Jerry Jr. The game has changed, and he didn't have a Stockton and Malone.
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You are probably right.
Im definately over critical of corbin, and i admit it,...... my point was mostly just that jazz fans were not the only ones who thought corbin sucked.
 
GVC said:
Did John Stockton "develop" his first three seasons in the NBA?
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Were the jazz tanking in those stockton years? Was the head coach told not to worry about wins and losses?

I dont think comparing stocktons first years in the league with last years season is apples to apples. Thats just me though
 
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