freakazoid
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Ok, so you're claiming Jerry has no culpability whatsoever, and I believe since he was the coach, he gets a share of the blame, however big or small. I'm comfortable with my position.
This season will vindicate Ty Corbin
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Ok, so you're claiming Jerry has no culpability whatsoever, and I believe since he was the coach, he gets a share of the blame, however big or small. I'm comfortable with my position.
jope
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Ive watched most games for the last 5 or 6 years. I don't, however, have memory of obscure streaks from 4 years ago. If anything, it sounds like you may be the cave-dweller, with jazz re-runs on loop.
jope
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Jerry has blame, i never said he didnt. However Jerry's coaching ability i believe is not part of that. His decision to quit mid season far outweighed his schemes or sub-patterns. There's a big difference.
vindicate corbin.... rather vindicate my ***
b_line
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So... I get that you like Jerry and all, but if you are claiming that you have been a jazz fan forever, and that you watch all these games, then you are lying if you are saying that you don't remember how one of the biggest events in jazz history went down. We started the season among the top teams in the league, record wise, and ended out of the playoffs. It started to fall apart before Jerry left, and ended after they hired Ty and traded Deron. Just be honest with yourself for a minute. Jerry gave up that year. It's fine to quit after so many winning seasons and so much given to Jazz basketball. Jerry himself would say he was not happy with the way that year turned out. We had the most epic collapse in NBA history, and didn't make the playoffs after starting out so well.
GVC
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That team started falling apart because they lacked talent. The undefeated preseason and 27-13 start were mirages to some degree (IIRC this was the first team to go undefeated in the preseason OR start 27-13 and miss the playoffs). Raja Bell started, and CJ, Earl Watson, Ronnie Price, Francisco Elson, Fesenko and rookie Gordo were the bench. Deron and Millsap weren't going to be able to carry that team over an entire 82-game season.
The most compelling argument against Jerry's coaching that season (IMO) is how he tried to force Al Jefferson to play like Carlos Boozer. Ugly. Jerry quit on the team though, so he absolutely deserves a lot of blame for the wheels falling off completely.
The most compelling argument against Jerry's coaching that season (IMO) is how he tried to force Al Jefferson to play like Carlos Boozer. Ugly. Jerry quit on the team though, so he absolutely deserves a lot of blame for the wheels falling off completely.
Stifle Tower
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KOC and Greg Miller quit on the team too if you believe many reports. According to some, Jerry reportedly wanted discipline to be applied against Deron as early as late December. He was shut down. Under Larry H., he likely would have had the support of ownership. So it came to a head in February and he stepped down. It took Greg and KOC a few days before they realized Deron WAS part of the problem. By then it was too late to get Sloan back. They should have just backed him up.
But yes, the team really started to fall apart on the road trip right before the break. You could see it in their play. Could Jerry have reversed course with the same roster? Doubtful. Could he have led the team to the playoffs had he stayed and the Deron trade went down as it did? Perhaps. But there's absolutely no way a franchise like Utah could survive both traumas.
freakazoid
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Right, obscure memories of our HOF coach of 20+ years walking away in the middle of a game, leading to our star player being traded. Just another day at the office, nothing special. As for your memory, we've already established that you have none, which is usually a good indication that you probably shouldn't discuss something you know very little about. Every single one of your posts reeks of someone who never watched a game that year. But yeah, go look up some stats or something, so you can pretend to have an informed opinion.
Right, Jerry's coaching had absolutely no impact on how the team played.
Here is the original post you responded to:
Tell me again how I'm wrong, Einstein.
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jope
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Never disputed that. Just said that Jerry's coaching ability shouldn't be in question
jope
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Sure are getting pretty uppity about some one's fanhood. I've watched causally since i was a kid (early 90s), and more thoroughly for the last 5 or 6 years. Im not here to prove anything. I will stand behind what i said, and if that really gets you so on edge you should probably take a step back from the pc for a bit. Channel that energy to something a little more worth while and you might be on to something. But to each his own. I mostly just read casually on this site, i don't have a whole lot of time to reply constantly over an arbitrary topic (kids, wife, 60 hr work weeks, you get the picture... Or maybe you don't based on the probable array of jazz-related sticky notes adorning your house). ☺
b_line
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Nobody questioned his ability. The team was over achieving, then the team sucked. Then Jerry quit. That's what we were saying. The team imploded and Jerry hitting played a part in that.
♪alt13
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I've always been and always will be in the Sloan camp. Management ****ed up. They didn't have Jerry's back when they should have and they paid for it. D-Will ****ed up. He blamed the system that helped him become the star he was. D-will would not have reached the highs he did without sloan imo.
freakazoid
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Right. You said that Jerry's coaching ability had no effect on the team. Does that count with winning, or is it only losing that isn't affected?
That's funny, cuz you've spent a whole lot of time in this thread arguing against something that nobody said.
I'm in the looking at all sides objectively camp, and I always will be.
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jope
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Thats basically what i was getting at too, with some homerism thrown in for good measure.
freakazoid
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I'm completely on board with the idea that Corbin had little to work with last year, and therefore shouldn't be judged quite so harshly. However, even though I believe our record last year proves nothing about Ty, I see no reason to consider him anything more than mediocre. Maybe I missed something, as I didn't pay much attention to your ongoing riff with the Corbin haters. I'd be sincerely interested why you think he's a good coach, or what you are basing it on. I don't necessarily disagree, but I do think the jury is still out.
Farmer.Tan
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IF this has anything to do with Corbin...then what it does show is that he is right where he should be. Right where many of us said he is best.....as a good ASSISTANT coach.
A lot of people credited him for being a good assistant coach, but not having what it took (for now) to be a good head coach.
Stifle Tower
Punch Bowl Re-Filler
This.
Can I wait until the end of the season before answering?
There were several things I thought he excelled at and other things that bugged me. The end result is what matters and us fans rarely if ever consider the O-D trade offs that go into every decision, so we bitch about this and that without considering all the behind-the-scenes data these guys pore through before making these decisions.
One thing I can say is Corbin was excellent 2 seasons ago at using the plays that were highest efficiency while also balancing the defense. People hated Alfense but it was the right choice with Frikkin Mo Williams as your chucker point guard, can't do anything but shoot the three Foye as your two, and no bench to speak of outside of Marvin Williams. I pulled some offensive stats off mysynergy toward the end of that season that showed everything fans were complaining about and wishing for was much worse than what we were getting.
