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Thoughts on "black face" costumes this Halloween

DasJazz said:
I admire people because of their contributions to society among other things. I think we are simply misunderstanding each other's point of view. For the record, I'm half black.
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Which half?
 
I never saw the Jimmy Kimmel one so I checked youtube. I found it pretty offensive, tbh. Here is the video. Other than blackface it is SFW and stuff.

 
DasJazz said:
"Is that the left half or the right half" is a very racist thing to say in the context that you wrote it.
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See, I took it as a very clever Star Trek reference.

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rare144 said:
Thriller comes across as the angriest poster here. Maybe since you're in a very undiversified area you pay huge attention to race and demographics. Ain't even a consideration in my mind and a majority of the younger generations don't even pay it attention -only when they are exposed to the very liberal influenced school curriculum or mainstream media is it even a thought... let it go jeez. I'm married to a latina and own land in Honduras ya gringo!
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I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

I live in a homogeneous area? How do you know where I live?

“Liberal education” actually does more to teach about diversity and to respect multiculturalism. Heck, isn’t that typically your side’s argument against liberals? It’s that they embrace diversity and multiculturalism too much and don’t respect traditional (white Christian) values?

Cmon man, pick ONE argument and stick with it. You don’t get to play on both sides of this fence.
 
JAZZGASM said:
The fact of the matter is for many years the minstrel shows had white actors that painted their faces black to belittle black people and make them appear to be dimwitted. So there is and ever will be a negative connotation to putting on black face. The swastika was a well-known and largely respected symbol until Hitler and the Nazi's perverted it forever (similar to the "Hitler Mustache"--That dude seriously ruined an awesome fashion statement for everyone :) ). So we need to be smart enough to know what is offensive out of the gate. A little common sense goes a long way.
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I hope you are not meaning that this kind of buildings should be destroyed because they (owners of the temple) offend somebody ;-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenkō-ji#/media/File:160501_Zenkoji_Nagano_Japan06s3.jpg
 
LogGrad98 said:
I never saw the Jimmy Kimmel one so I checked youtube. I found it pretty offensive, tbh. Here is the video. Other than blackface it is SFW and stuff.

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then you release there is a double standard! if a right winger did this he would be fired by now! doesnt matter if it is 1 3 5 10 years go! he would have been fired. countless examples of this.

that is why eminem started attacking trump with his stupid disstrack. telling fans in the sand he draws a line no fan of his is a fan of mine.
he needed to pledge aliegence so they dont go looking into his past on how often he used the N word in songs. hoe often he used the f word(the one for homosexuals) and other really sexist racist homophobic slurs. he is scared *****ess.
 
DutchJazzer said:
then you release there is a double standard! if a right winger did this he would be fired by now! doesnt matter if it is 1 3 5 10 years go! he would have been fired. countless examples of this.
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You're right, people who consistently support equality for black people, and then do something cringe-worthy, get treated differently from people who consistently oppose equality for black people, and then do something perhaps less cringe-worthy. It's almost like people are more forgiving of someone who made one or two errors than someone who has been consistently wrong. I'm not sure I can explain that, it will have to remain a mystery to you.
 
this whole offensive pc thing has got to stop! or you know what let it go on! they will lose because of it!


don't know if any of you have sene this documentary: "the problem with APU". basiclaly some indian(not native american) got his panties up in a bunch because depiction of apu is racist! then there was this controversy that simpsons would write out apu! now they walked it back!

you know what did this, center and slightly left people came to me to talk about it. and they are starting to hate this left wing culture! of baning everything offensive. it will start with apu. then some jew will make a documentary about how krusty and his rabi father are bad depiction of jews. then we make a documentary about groudnskeeper willy offensive towards irsh. before you know it the simpson will have no charatcers left
 
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there is this funny things some humans the more you tell them what they can and cannot do the more they will push back. about half humans are like that!

so it's pretty simple the more do's and don'ts you give those people, they might start to push back.

so if your gonna give do's and dont's keep it to a bare minimum, the bare necesities. so they wnont push back.

Do not murder. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace.

stop silly rules like you can paint your face any color you want except black
you cannot say x and y

then we will have peace on earth when we stop telling each other what to do or not do, except the bare necessities!
lets bring world peace
 
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this seem relevant! we need to stop apologizing!
 
DutchJazzer said:
trigerwarning: these people are considered hate mongers to those easily triggered


this seem relevant! we need to stop apologizing!
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ya sure, we need less kindness and self awareness of when we hurt others right now. Great idea. (obvious sarcasm)
 
oh, I have so much to say I'm not sure I even want to begin...

but I'll start with a little anecdote from about 20 years ago - - my son and an african-american friend of his were planning their Halloween costumes, maybe they were in 2nd grade. His brown friend was thinking of going as a ghost and they got into a discussion of whether a brown person would be a brown ghost, and therefore should wear a brown sheet (never mind the conundrum of a little brown boy in a white sheet, they had no clue about any of that) - they kept trying to figure it out, my white son thinking a brown sheet was best, the brown friend thinking a white sheet was best. Finally my older son (4th grade or so) told them that since everyone's skeleton is white, the ghost would probably be white no matter the color of the skin of the living person. They decided that made sense, so a white sheet it was.

(We live in a very diverse suburb - it has been for quite a while - but it definitely seems to have gotten far more polarized over the past few years - I'm not sure how that discussion would play out now!)
 
moevillini said:
oh, I have so much to say I'm not sure I even want to begin...

but I'll start with a little anecdote from about 20 years ago - - my son and an african-american friend of his were planning their Halloween costumes, maybe they were in 2nd grade. His brown friend was thinking of going as a ghost and they got into a discussion of whether a brown person would be a brown ghost, and therefore should wear a brown sheet (never mind the conundrum of a little brown boy in a white sheet, they had no clue about any of that) - they kept trying to figure it out, my white son thinking a brown sheet was best, the brown friend thinking a white sheet was best. Finally my older son (4th grade or so) told them that since everyone's skeleton is white, the ghost would probably be white no matter the color of the skin of the living person. They decided that made sense, so a white sheet it was.

(We live in a very diverse suburb - it has been for quite a while - but it definitely seems to have gotten far more polarized over the past few years - I'm not sure how that discussion would play out now!)
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Little off topic, and I’m not sure how well I can articulate my thoughts into words on this subject, but I enjoyed reading this story of yours, haha, gotta love kids, and how their little minds work. Made me think of my childhood, then how screwed up I became as an adult, if kids ruled the world, just think how different this discussion would be.

We live in a pretty effed up world with an effed up way of thinking. Even in change and improvement the way we treat our fellow man sometimes I feel it is a disguise. Racism isn’t what it used to be, it’s evolved over time, or adapted. Before it was more open and bold, now it more hides in the shadows and more passive aggressive and concealing to a point where good people display their own form of racism without realizing it, for example the girls costume from Instagram, I can’t speak for her, it may have been innocent, or not.

Back to my original point, as adults, we ignore the problem, try to justify it and walk away, where as kids lash out then resolve their differences over time, they are more forgiving, where we hold in our pride and refuse to take responsibility for example a person blaming the one who feels insulted for keeping racism alive by being a victim instead of facing facts that you hurt someone as if they are in the wrong and not you.

Or.... and I’m sorry for bringing this up, but when people say Kaepernick is not showing respect for the men and women of the military even though he plainly stated it had nothing to do with the military he even changed from sitting to kneeling to show respect for the military and how we have distorted the message of his none aggressive protest.

This isn’t something that is a problem with a small group or even a large group, we are all guilty of hate, I know I am. I know I can treat others here with more respect than I do. until all of us puts on our child’s self on and put away our pride, this will never go away.

To sum this all up or try to anyways. The kids in @ moevillini story all came to the conclusion that since their bones were white then everyone is white as a ghost.

If what the girl in the Instagram pic hurt someone’s feelings, she was in the wrong and needs to own up, and take responsibility, that’s how we change and affect real change.

OMG this is cheesy as hell but this is what I believe.

Getting off my soap box now.


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