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Thoughts on the league blocking the Chris Paul deal

freakazoid said:
Please stop saying New York. Tyson Chandler ended any chance they had at signing Paul as a FA. Maybe they can trade Melo for him, since Amare was rejected. But FA, no way.

https://www.nypost.com/p/sports/kni..._yssonHk1y72BN7jKN9tNTO?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

https://basketball.realgm.com/blog/...ove_Interior_Defense_Rebounding_With_Chandler
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You're missing the point, the reason and the only reason this deal was postponed was because LA actually had to give up a couple of actual productive players. Currently they are looking for ex players that are coaching on a different team they could include so LA doesn't have to include Gasol. If that doesn't work they're moving CP to NY so don't worry just because Stern has never stepped in on some of the idiotic decisions made previously he'll make sure LA or NY get CP.
 
An argument can be made that this isn't a great deal for NOH. The franchise, which is owned by the league, has to decide for itself what is best for itself. Maybe a deal that brings back a bunch of long-term, big contracts like Lamar Odom's and Luis Scola's isn't what's best for the Hornets. They may be better off going the Cleveland/Toronto route and clearing cap space to use in other trades or go into the lottery instead of being a mediocre team stuck in no-mans' land.

This sounds like a dispute between the Hornets' GM and the franchise owner that went public in the media because the franchise owner and spokesperson is David Stern.
 
You have a competitive team, however, for several years, just with the guys you got in the trade. Heck, Dragic could easily become an All-Star. He often outplayed Steve Nash for the Suns last year, and had some incredible performances that were among the best in the entire league.
 
I'm resisting the temptation to post this article as a new thread. It questions the importance of having an elite PG....at least without strong bigs in tandem.

https://basketball.realgm.com/artic..._Point_Guard_Play_Hits_Apex_With_Vetoed_Trade

Now, consider that the Knicks just cut Chauncey Billups, who is still a top-10 PG and a savvy veteran player, in order to make room for Tyson Chandler. Mike D'Antoni is saying that the Knicks will run their offense through Carmello Anthony. (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiret..._Run_Through_Carmelo_As_Celtics_Did_With_Bird)

Note that the teams in the finals last year did not have strong play from their point guards, with the exception of JJ Barea's back-up minutes.

A case can be made that having a top-5 PG is a real difference maker. A player who can slash and get to the rim, a player who can create quick space and hit the dagger jumper, and a player who can bomb away from deep off the dribble can put tremendous pressure on an opposing team...but not as much pressure as a center/power-forward combination that can collapse the defense, control the boards, get on top of the basket and get to the line at will. This is why teams that want to compete with the Heat are investing in front-court players.

That's also why I like the DWill trade: Favors + Kanter + whomever we get with the GS pick is going to win more games than D.Will ever could alone.
 
You can see the pressure was on Stern, and he's realized he made a dumb move, so now the trade talks are back on ... to me, his rationale for vetoing that it wasn't a good trade for the Hornets shows that while Stern might be a great businessman, he doesn't have a clue about basketball.
 
Bottom line is Stern shouldn't have done this. But then the League shouldn't "own" New Orleans, either. I think Hollinger's analysis on this was correct. Even if Paul winds up in LA, LA doesn't have the pieces to get Howard. But even if they did, you can't fairly handcuff New Orleans from making a good deal for themselves. And they have to trade Paul at some point.
 
If Chris Paul and Dwight Howard come out and say they won't sign an extension with any team except the Lakers, then the trade market collapses, and the Lakers offering Andrew Bynum for Dwight may actually become the best offer Orlando can get.

It's really no different from what happened with Chris Paul yesterday. Paul killed NOH's chances of getting Stephen Curry or LAC's unprotected 2012 pick from Minny. All Chris Paul had to do was say, "I won't extend with the Clippers or Warriors," and those franchises watered down their trade offers. That left the Lakers' trade offer as the best offer on the market. Nevermind whether it's a good deal for the Hornets.

Apparently, Dwight Howard is willing to extend with the Nets. If he weren't willing to do this, and he insisted on going to the Lakers, then this would be an even bigger sh** storm than what's taking place now.

Superstar players can kill their current teams' ability to trade them and get a fair return by simply refusing to re-sign with the team they get traded to. This is why trading D.Will to the Nets preemptively (before D.Will could even chime in on whether he would re-sign there) was a good move. The Jazz took control of the situation and got a return they liked.
 
This resembles the original Gasol deal. LA offered some decent players and the league vetoed the deal. Then the Lakers included an assistant coach, a bunch of picks, some scrubs, etc. and Stern approved it. End result: the 2nd deal was actually BETTER for LA. So Odom and/or Gasol won't be included becuase they have expensive, longer-term deals, which actually might decrease the sales price of the NO franchise. So one will be kept, thus enabling a deal to be made for Howard. Stern is the best GM the Lakers have had since West was forced out.
 
even though i am so happy Lakers didn't get Paul, this whole thing doesn't sound right to me. If both sides agreed, noone else should have interrupted.
Also i hope they won't get Howard, which right now they are the strongest candidate for that
 
NBA is in a catch 22. This deal is as good as what Denver did with Melo and the same situation. However, the fact that it makes sense proves they signed a CBA that does nothing to stem the tide of creating 6-8 super teams which is a death knell on the league. They irony is that the deal that proves how dumb they were to sign the CBA so happened to occur with the one team the league owns. Either option here is bad. IMO, they had no business blocking the trade but I get why they did so.
 
Don't see how Paul is dictating. He has one year left and has indicated he'd prefer to go elsewhere, so the smart thing to do is trade him, like we did with DWill. Only they're getting a much better return, at least so far as players, than we did. Not sure how the money stacks up. Maybe someone could show how this affects the Hornets financially -- I'm too lazy to look it up. That might be where the sticking point was from Stern's POV ???

Ok, found an article that breaks down the spending numbers and the rationale:

https://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/12005/the-chris-paul-trade-what-the-nba-did-wrong
 
BluesRocker said:
The lakers could easily get Dwight Howard. They have draft picks.

So to the Magic it would be Brook Lopez plus picks vs Bynum plus picks. Most people in the league feel the Bynum package would be better.

It's a mute point anyways. David Stern doesn't own the Hornets. The owners do. And they can choose not to approve of trades that will hurt them for years to come
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Yeah, I'm sure teams are dying for the 28th pick in the draft.
*moot
 
JAZZFAN_2814 said:
This trade has to do with the power structure of not only the NBA head office, but also that of the Lakers: it's now the Jim Bus Era, and it might be another sign of shifting focus to Bynum as THE big man, and franchise standard.

Is that a bluff? The organization has been selling it for long enough.

So far as Gasol "clearly" declining? His regular season was on-par with what he'd achieved before in forum blue&gold, and it was only the second season in his career where he averaged a double-double (not animal-style). He's played in under 800 regular season games, and much of his worth his footwork, size and overall skill-based rather than athletic.

He declined as the playoffs approached last season, and was miserable in them. But that was matched to the team's performance, which speaks both to his worth and the factor that likely truly killed the Lakers: they'd just come off 3 straight seasons where they made the Finals. Teams almost universally collapse the fourth year following such runs in the modern era.

The irony of people complaining about this trade being vetoed by the NBA, is that the Lakers never should have had Gasol to trade in the first place. Note that the media is more upset about this than they ever were about what went down with the league's pushing of Gasol to LA and Garnett to Boston.
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Buss moran.
 
GlassEater said:
This resembles the original Gasol deal. LA offered some decent players and the league vetoed the deal. Then the Lakers included an assistant coach, a bunch of picks, some scrubs, etc. and Stern approved it. End result: the 2nd deal was actually BETTER for LA. So Odom and/or Gasol won't be included becuase they have expensive, longer-term deals, which actually might decrease the sales price of the NO franchise. So one will be kept, thus enabling a deal to be made for Howard. Stern is the best GM the Lakers have had since West was forced out.
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So basically, LA and Houston are trying again. Only difference is that LA is trying to get a pick to toss to NOH, and they're willing to take back a scrub or two. Deja vu per GlassEater. Lets see if Stern approves based on this nuance.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217334/New_Pieces_Of_Paul_Trade_Emerge_Now_In_Sterns_Hands
 
On rethinking this, Stern does technically have a justification. As the de facto owner, he can say the deal isn't good enough. He wants to avoid the appearance of gifting Paul to LA so he asks the other parties to sweeten the deal.

This is what any owner of any NBA team might conceivably do. Tell their GM they like the deal, but they want just a little more. That said, the deal was pretty solid in the first place and I don't think the extra effort for PR purposes was necessarily worth it. As a wrinkle, he might be hoping that the extra effort results in ENSURING LA has nothing but Bynum to offer for Howard which would effectively kill that possibility.
 
Good point. I think the uproar among the owners wasn't the Chris Paul deal by itself, but the idea that it would make Dwight Howard demand a trade to LA and leave LA with enough pieces and cap to get Dwight. The Lakers were always pursuing Dwight, and they were trying to get Chris Paul first to make Dwight demand a trade to LA, which would then undermine other offers Orlando would get for him.

If I were Stern, I'd sit on this for a while. Let the players association threaten with their stupid litigation. The Hornets have no obligation to trade Chris Paul in the next month or two. Stern is under no obligation to approve a trade even if it's a good one.

If I were Orlando, I'd also sit on this for a while. There's no hurry to trade Dwight, even if he doesn't report.

ESPN is trying to cook up controversy because they're media wh0~3S.
 
not to mention how Houston was selling their team for a past-his-prime softie that played his way out of LA last postseason.
 
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