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MT Steve said:
The funny thing is, I put a couple people on ignore early on, and if it weren't for this I wouldn't even be able to tell they're posting because nobody ever acknowledges or responds to them. You'd think at some point they'd realize they're totally absent from the conversation, but I guess lack of self awareness can be a real deep well.
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You have that backwards. It is the blockers who are totally absent from the conversation as evidenced by LogGrad's complaint. He logs in and sees conversation but it is all conversation he is totally absent from. He wants the board functionality to be changed so that he is not aware that he is totally absent from the conversation.

As for awareness on my part, meh. I view it like establishing protectionist tariffs. It weakens the thing being protected, in this case, ideas. I know a lot of stuff, but I often get proven wrong on something I thought I knew, but was incorrect on. I greatly miss @One Brow for that, may he rest in peace. My ideas are better and sharper for being strongly challenged. I'm not worried that the blockers don't challenge my ideas because I know they aren't capable. I don't begrudge their desire to live in walled gardens and I'm certainly not about to dumb down my ideas to come across as less intimidating.
 
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MT Steve said:
The funny thing is, I put a couple people on ignore early on, and if it weren't for this I wouldn't even be able to tell they're posting because nobody ever acknowledges or responds to them. You'd think at some point they'd realize they're totally absent from the conversation, but I guess lack of self awareness can be a real deep well.
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Exactly. The funny thing is the trolls prove themselves unworthy of conversing with through personal attacks and vitriol and then scream the loudest to try to be continually heard with countless meaningless posts. I guess those extinction bursts can be pretty strong when fighting changing their behavior.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
You have that backwards. It is the blockers who are totally absent from the conversation as evidenced by LogGrad's complaint. He logs in and sees conversation but it is all conversation he is totally absent from. He wants the board functionality to be changed so that he is not aware that he is totally absent from the conversation.

As for awareness on my part, meh. I view it like establishing protectionist tariffs. It weakens the thing being protected, in this case, ideas. I know a lot of stuff, but I often get proven wrong on something I thought I knew, but was incorrect on. I greatly miss @One Brow for that, may he rest in peace. My ideas are better and sharper for being strongly challenged. I'm not worried that the blockers don't challenge my ideas because I know they aren't capable. I don't begrudge their desire to live in walled gardens and I'm certainly not about to dumb down my ideas to come across as less intimidating.
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You are not who I'm talking about. You're very engaged in the conversation and people reply to you often. If I blocked you I'd easily be able to tell you were still posting due to all the missing context.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Exactly. The funny thing is the trolls prove themselves unworthy of conversing with through personal attacks and vitriol and then scream the loudest to try to be continually heard with countless meaningless posts. I guess those extinction bursts can be pretty strong when fighting changing their behavior.
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stop talking about Thriller's problems
 
Al-O-Meter said:
You have that backwards. It is the blockers who are totally absent from the conversation as evidenced by LogGrad's complaint. He logs in and sees conversation but it is all conversation he is totally absent from. He wants the board functionality to be changed so that he is not aware that he is totally absent from the conversation.

As for awareness on my part, meh. I view it like establishing protectionist tariffs. It weakens the thing being protected, in this case, ideas. I know a lot of stuff, but I often get proven wrong on something I thought I knew, but was incorrect on. I greatly miss @One Brow for that, may he rest in peace. My ideas are better and sharper for being strongly challenged. I'm not worried that the blockers don't challenge my ideas because I know they aren't capable. I don't begrudge their desire to live in walled gardens and I'm certainly not about to dumb down my ideas to come across as less intimidating.
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I didn't realize OneBrow passed.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
That is an interesting take. Do you think Hamas militants hate the idea of peaceful coexistence so much that the idea makes them want to kill Jews? You don't believe it was the Nakba, or apartheid, or Benjamin Netanyahu, but rather the finding of a way to live together peacefully that caused October 7th?

If it was the peace agreement that caused Hamas militants to kill a thousand Jews, why did they wait until after the Biden Administration had started unraveling it in an effort to cozy up to the Iranians? The Abraham Accords were signed under Trump. Why wait for Trump to leave office? Why didn't the Hamas militants start killing Jews immediately to show their opposition to living in peace?

Personally, I think you are reaching. I believe Hamas is an Iranian proxy group and Iran didn't have the ability to pull this off until Biden let them out of the box.
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Skimmed your post and I’m just gonna say that boiling Hamas down to a mere Iranian proxy is a vast oversimplification and totally misses the core of the issue.

Palestinians were completely cut out of the process that directly impacts them and they had to do something massive and heinous to thrust the focus of the issue back to Palestinians, rather than the “peace deal” ABOUT them that marginalized them.

The sooner everyone can understand that there is no sustainable solution other than a two state solution, the better (but I am not saying it will be easy or smooth). Trump and Netanyahu engineered the Abraham Accords to further the one-state non-solution.
 
str8line said:
I didn't realize OneBrow passed.
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Not as far as his blog goes anyway. No obit out there. But if Al said it, it's likely disingenuous. Anything to get a rise out of people with no substance behind it. He's the pseudo-intellectual head of the Hydra of trolls operating on jazz fanz. But a troll nonetheless.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
You have that backwards. It is the blockers who are totally absent from the conversation as evidenced by LogGrad's complaint. He logs in and sees conversation but it is all conversation he is totally absent from. He wants the board functionality to be changed so that he is not aware that he is totally absent from the conversation.

As for awareness on my part, meh. I view it like establishing protectionist tariffs. It weakens the thing being protected, in this case, ideas. I know a lot of stuff, but I often get proven wrong on something I thought I knew, but was incorrect on. I greatly miss @One Brow for that, may he rest in peace. My ideas are better and sharper for being strongly challenged. I'm not worried that the blockers don't challenge my ideas because I know they aren't capable. I don't begrudge their desire to live in walled gardens and I'm certainly not about to dumb down my ideas to come across as less intimidating.
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Blockers are so scared of any opposing views. It is hilarious. They've just never had such an active group of people with conservative views and they cannot handle it.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Skimmed your post and I’m just gonna say that boiling Hamas down to a mere Iranian proxy is a vast oversimplification and totally misses the core of the issue.

Palestinians were completely cut out of the process that directly impacts them and they had to do something massive and heinous to thrust the focus of the issue back to Palestinians, rather than the “peace deal” ABOUT them that marginalized them.

The sooner everyone can understand that there is no sustainable solution other than a two state solution, the better (but I am not saying it will be easy or smooth). Trump and Netanyahu engineered the Abraham Accords to further the one-state non-solution.
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Hamas is an Iranian proxy group, and October 7th proved beyond any doubt that a two state solution isn’t workable. Ever.

Gaza and the West Bank have been an experiment that spanned an entire generation. In Gaza they had their own territory with no Jewish settlers, their own autonomous government, all the infrastructure they needed, foundations of industry, and enough of a stipend to make everything work.

Meanwhile, West Bank was the control, left to continue as an occupied territory with Jewish settlers, an Israeli security force, a pseudo-government, etc. This experiment ran for a full generation and conclusively proved which model was better.

The Palestinians in Ramallah, West Bank have a higher standard of living than Palestinians in Cairo, Egypt or Amman, Jordan. The *ONLY* Palestinians in the region with a higher standard of living would be those in Israel proper. Meanwhile, the two-state cohort in Gaza devolved into the worst standard of living in the region.

Those still suggesting a two state solution in the face of evidence are living in a fantasy world.
 
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Al-O-Meter said:
Hamas is an Iranian proxy group, and October 7th proved beyond any doubt that a two state solution isn’t workable. Ever.

Gaza and the West Bank have been an experiment that spanned an entire generation. In Gaza they had their own territory with no Jewish settlers, their own autonomous government, all the infrastructure they needed, foundations of industry, and enough of a stipend to make everything work.

Meanwhile, West Bank was the control, left to continue as an occupied territory with Jewish settlers, an Israeli security force, a pseudo-government, etc. This experiment ran for a full generation and conclusively proved which model was better.

The Palestinians in Ramallah, West Bank have a higher standard of living than Palestinians in Cairo, Egypt or Amman, Jordan. The *ONLY* Palestinians in the region with a higher standard of living would be those in Israel proper. Meanwhile, the two-state cohort in Gaza devolved into the worst standard of living in the region.

Those still suggesting a two state solution in the face of evidence are living in a fantasy world.
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There has never been a Palestinian state (to suggest that Gaza - due to a violent Hamas coup/takeover which prompted Israel to blockade Gaza and essentially turn it into the world’s largest open-air prison - is a state is breathtakingly bad, saying nothing of your apparent signal that the situation in the West Bank is even close to tolerable), and the notion that the status quo can continue is remarkably awful.

The two peoples will either find a way to live alongside the other or die at the hands of the other.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
I keep seeing that there are new posts in this thread, then when I open it up, it's just people I have on ignore, I'm guessing posting stupid ****.

@Jason is there any way to make it so a thread won't register unread posts if those posts are by people we have on ignore?
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No stupid **** here. Just stuff that contradicts the BS around here.
 
NUMBERICA said:
saying nothing of your apparent signal that the situation in the West Bank is even close to tolerable
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Tolerable compared to what? I’m comparing real places that exist. The people of Ramallah have it better than the people of Cairo or the people of Amman. If comparing a real place to an ideal that exists in your imagination justifies violent uprising then it will be forever war because a better consequence-free unreality can always be dreamed.

NUMBERICA said:
The two peoples will either find a way to live alongside the other or die at the hands of the other.
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The two people will find a way to live alongside each other when the Palestinians stop attacking Israel. The alternative will see the children of Gaza given a world worse than their parents had, and the Gazan grandchildren given a world that is worse than that. An unending pursuit of hate and violence will not work out well for the Palestinians of Gaza and I disagree with those praising that path forward as the correct or justified one.
 
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