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To Those That Attack Me For My Beliefs

And to act as if he or she KNOWS God exists? Spare me. People are measly, fallible humans. He’s omniscient God.

Also, watching the ******** that is Trump has led me to question if Earth isn’t just Westworld and we aren’t just participants in some genius alien “board game,” those little green bastards laughing every time Trump opens his dumbass mouth.

I mean, this can’t be real, can it?
 
And to act as if he or she KNOWS God exists? Spare me. People are measly, fallible humans. He’s omniscient God.

Also, watching the ******** that is Trump has led me to question if Earth isn’t just Westworld and we aren’t just participants in some genius alien “board game,” those little green bastards laughing every time Trump opens his dumbass mouth.

I mean, this can’t be real, can it?

Hey now, you leave Westworld out of this!
 
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).

Of course, these words of Jesus are allegorical. I doubt that any were literally casting pearls before swine. The meaning is pretty simple to figure out; "Do not persist in offering what is sacred or of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked." (Boy that is for sure)

The "dogs" and "swine" here stand for the unappreciative and worldly; unappreciative and uncaring men and women who belittle the value of what is offered to them. "That which is holy" would be the meat offered in sacrifice to God. A dog could care less whether it came from the altar or the garbage. The swine have no appreciation for either the beauty nor the value of the pearls under their feet.

I will try to limit my sharing of gospel truths in the future for truly it is as the scriptures say.
What is your point? I mean why are you doing this? What are you trying to achieve?
 
I agree and I am skeptical. If I had to put money on it I would bet on no God.

However I have always got the impression from atheists that they know as a fact that there is no god.

For me, an agnostic, I have no idea. Any religion might be right. Or none of them. There might be a God and there might not. I have no clue.
My guess is that when I die that's it. Nothing else happens after. But I don't have a strong belief in that theory. Just a little bit more belief in that than in any religion out there.

Agnosticism, as a position you take, can overlap with atheism. For example, the position that the existence of God/gods/a god is inherently unknowable is an agnostic position, and not believing in any such beings would be atheism.

Any religion might be right.

Except Scientology, of course. :)
 
"Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces." (Matthew 7:6).

Of course, these words of Jesus are allegorical. I doubt that any were literally casting pearls before swine. The meaning is pretty simple to figure out; "Do not persist in offering what is sacred or of value to those who have no appreciation for it, because your gift will not only become contaminated and be despised, your generous efforts could also be rebuffed and perhaps even openly attacked." (Boy that is for sure)

The "dogs" and "swine" here stand for the unappreciative and worldly; unappreciative and uncaring men and women who belittle the value of what is offered to them. "That which is holy" would be the meat offered in sacrifice to God. A dog could care less whether it came from the altar or the garbage. The swine have no appreciation for either the beauty nor the value of the pearls under their feet.

I will try to limit my sharing of gospel truths in the future for truly it is as the scriptures say.

Given that you've implicitly called your critics here (metaphorically) "dogs' and "swine" who are "unappreciative" and "uncaring," by what principle would you expect, in turn, that these dogs and swine treat you and your ideas with respect?

A regular annoyance for me is the implicit or explicit argument from religious folks that their religious views are entitled greater inherent respect and deference than ideas emanating from 'non-spiritual' sources.

For me, I don't give a whit from whence one's ideas spring. I'll treat them the same; I'll criticize bad ideas, ponder insightful ones, and praise good ones. If you claim some divine source for your ideas, that won't impress me, nor will it convey some idea that I should treat them with more deference or respect. If you can't deal with that, then might I suggest keeping them to yourself?
 
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Perhaps the most personally validating evidence for the existence of God is what are known as near death experiences(NDE). Very strongly personally validating, but not proof of God. But, examine them, and what they tend to share is components generally reflective of what have been described as spiritual experiences, described as such both across time and cultures. One might argue such experiences, be they precipitated by an NDE, or by other altered states, are foundational to the development of a belief in God. Such experiences may be attributed to elevated DMT levels in experiencers of such phenomenon. I.E., we can attempt to blame brain chemistry for the development of a belief in God.

But none of the rationalizations or theories that assist in explaining NDE's will likely make a jot of difference to the experiencer, who seems to be as convinced of God's existence as they ever have been, or ever can be, as a result of the NDE. As well as absolutely convinced of the continuation of consciousness after death.

Of course, these do not prove God exists. But, one can go either way. Even if attributing spiritual experiences to brain chemistry, and acknowledging that NDE is just that, "near", not a permanent state, these people are revived afterall, if you cannot shake the "personal validating proof of God" of the experiencer, there remains the possibility that the spiritual experiences, that are often profoundly transformative to the individual, are exactly as they believe it is. An experience of a higher state of existence, possibly preceding and following biological existence. And many describe the level of Love they experience in that state as being of the nature of God, as what we have traditionally ascribed to and called God, by many names.

NDE's have convinced even atheists that God exists. Which proves nothing, but is, at the least, an odd consequence of coming close to death. And with modern resuscitation, more people are reporting NDE's.

https://www.nderf.org/Archives/exceptional.html
 
Guys/gals I know that God lives and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true through sacred experiences I have had. If you chose to investigate that is up to you. We are taught to honor free agency (never force anything on anyone). To try to force our belief on others is wrong.
I apologize for trying to share with all, as it has upset many of you. Please accept my heartfelt apology if I have made you upset or uncomfortable. I really mean that.
If you desire to learn what I have experienced and how I know please contact me individually. Thanks again for understanding I meant no harm. Being a former football and basketball coach at one time in my life, I tend to get competitive at times. We all have weaknesses, that is one of mine.
 
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Guys/gals I know that God lives and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true through sacred experiences I have had. If you chose to investigate that is up to you. We are taught to honor free agency (never force anything on anyone). To try to force our belief on others is wrong.
I apologize for trying to share with all, as it has upset many of you. Please accept my heartfelt apology if I have made you upset or uncomfortable. I really mean that.
If you desire to learn what I have experienced and how I know please contact me individually. Thanks again for understanding I meant no harm. Being a former football and basketball coach at one time in my life, I tend to get competitive at times. We all have weaknesses, that is one of mine.

What a beautiful notpology.
 
I’m not bagging on the non believers here (you’re perfectly entitled to think what you think), but a life not believing in a God and an existence after this sounds depressing to me.
The way I figure is that if I go through life believing in God, and it turns out not to be true, what have I lost?


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I’m not bagging on the non believers here (you’re perfectly entitled to think what you think), but a life not believing in a God and an existence after this sounds depressing to me.
The way I figure is that if I go through life believing in God, and it turns out not to be true, what have I lost?

As a believer for the first 40 years or so of my life, it is depressing by comparison. doesn't change what's real.

You've only lost what you invested in your religion being true.
 
I’m not bagging on the non believers here (you’re perfectly entitled to think what you think), but a life not believing in a God and an existence after this sounds depressing to me.
The way I figure is that if I go through life believing in God, and it turns out not to be true, what have I lost?


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If there is no God then you wasted your life following rules and feeling guilty for breaking those rules. You have lost the chance to live life how you wanted instead of someone else wants you to live it.

Not believing in God makes life a lot more easy. There is far less guilt and pressure.

I dont really spend any time caring whether or not God is real. If he is real then I feel like ive been a nice person and done the best to make my life better and life better for people around me. If he isnt real then Ive enjoyed life the best I can.
 
As a believer for the first 40 years or so of my life, it is depressing by comparison. doesn't change what's real.

You've only lost what you invested in your religion being true.

What’s “real”? None of us “know” what’s next. None of us. That’s what’s real.

And you don’t lose what you invested. You learned and grew from it. To me the only time you “lose” is if your belief goes negative. Drags you down, makes you bitter/angry/aggressive. And we see that on all sides. Christians, Muslims, atheists...
 
On a side note I just read a study that made me laugh. It found that highly religious people answered that they were very happy in life at a much higher rate than non religious people. But the study also found that a lot of the same highly religious people were overweight, didnt exercise, and were "couch potatoes." They also answered that they were very happy with their health.

To me it just shows that they were lying about being very happy. I think they feel obligated even on an anonymous poll to answer that they were very happy. But it also might be programming from being religious that gets people to answer that way. Or maybe they are very happy in life being overweight and watching a lot of TV.
 
If there is no God then you wasted your life following rules and feeling guilty for breaking those rules. You have lost the chance to live life how you wanted instead of someone else wants you to live it.

Not believing in God makes life a lot more easy. There is far less guilt and pressure.

I dont really spend any time caring whether or not God is real. If he is real then I feel like ive been a nice person and done the best to make my life better and life better for people around me. If he isnt real then Ive enjoyed life the best I can.

That’s the beauty in my beliefs. I’m living the life I want to live. I don’t follow rules because someone tells me to. I’m far from “Peter Priesthood”. I’m also enjoying life the best I can. I don’t feel guilt when I curse. I don’t feel pressure to attend church meetings every week. I go when I want to and I don’t go when I’m not in the mood.


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Guys/gals I know that God lives and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true through sacred experiences I have had. If you chose to investigate that is up to you. We are taught to honor free agency (never force anything on anyone). To try to force our belief on others is wrong.
I apologize for trying to share with all, as it has upset many of you. Please accept my heartfelt apology if I have made you upset or uncomfortable. I really mean that.
If you desire to learn what I have experienced and how I know please contact me individually. Thanks again for understanding I meant no harm. Being a former football and basketball coach at one time in my life, I tend to get competitive at times. We all have weaknesses, that is one of mine.

As Gameface said, you've attacked others with your beliefs. Way too late to walk that back.

If you really are a member of the LDS faith you have learned little in the process. Honestly I'm surprised no one here who is LDS has called you out on this. You bring shame upon your church.

If there really were a just and true god he would strike people like yourself down. Instead babies die by the millions and people like you and Trump continue to live.

I shudder to think that you've had an influence on children as a coach.
 
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Guys/gals I know that God lives and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is true through sacred experiences I have had. If you chose to investigate that is up to you. We are taught to honor free agency (never force anything on anyone). To try to force our belief on others is wrong.
I apologize for trying to share with all, as it has upset many of you. Please accept my heartfelt apology if I have made you upset or uncomfortable. I really mean that.
If you desire to learn what I have experienced and how I know please contact me individually. Thanks again for understanding I meant no harm. Being a former football and basketball coach at one time in my life, I tend to get competitive at times. We all have weaknesses, that is one of mine.

Thanks for the apology. You definitively didn't upset or make me uncomfortable. Nor do I think you did that to anyone. Thanks for offering to share your beliefs in a more appropriate way. I dont think anyone has a problem with you sharing your beliefs on this forum its more the way you did it. You were very judgemental of everyone else. You also are mixing religion into politics to claim why your political beliefs are better. Religion and politics should be separate.

For me personally I dont know if there is a higher power or not and frankly dont care. But I do know without a shadow of a doubt that the LDS religion is not the only true church and does not have answers.
 
To troll. At one point, jazzrule posted a screenshot to brag about how many responses they had received in the last 24 hours.

My attacks were directly aimed at his sincerity. Or lack there of. On basically anything he posted.
 
That’s the beauty in my beliefs. I’m living the life I want to live. I don’t follow rules because someone tells me to. I’m far from “Peter Priesthood”. I’m also enjoying life the best I can. I don’t feel guilt when I curse. I don’t feel pressure to attend church meetings every week. I go when I want to and I don’t go when I’m not in the mood.


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I have a hard time believing you are living the life you want to if your church wasnt true. But thats good you do what you want to do. There are certainly some positives in following a religion, but there are also some negatives as well. I am happy for people to follow their beliefs as long as they are okay with me doing the same.

For me there is nothing gained by believing in God or following a religion. For me I feel far more happy and enjoy my life a lot more not being religious than I did when I was. I didnt expect that. But everyone is different.
 
I’m not bagging on the non believers here (you’re perfectly entitled to think what you think), but a life not believing in a God and an existence after this sounds depressing to me.
The way I figure is that if I go through life believing in God, and it turns out not to be true, what have I lost?


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Good post.
I wish I believed. I just don't.

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