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l Abach l said:
I've yet to believe Quin can make winning adjustments in the playoffs and get past the 2nd round. 3-1 choke job... followed by a 25 pt halftime choke job... locker room is likely lost
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I think that's on the front office. The problem is that our guards can't defend the perimeter. Quin is limited by his roster. That said, the Jazz do seem to have defensive lapses, and I'm not sure why that is.
 
Ferguson_Mellochill said:
I think that's on the front office. The problem is that our guards can't defend the perimeter. Quin is limited by his roster. That said, the Jazz do seem to have defensive lapses, and I'm not sure why that is.
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You can't attribute the regular season successes to Quin and then blame the playoff failures on the FO. I think Quin can take blame for our perimeter defenders playing on the ball defense 3 feet beyond the arc... there were a lot of schematic choices made that were nothing short of bizarre. The FO doesn't deserve blame for 4 straight losses
 
l Abach l said:
I've yet to believe Quin can make winning adjustments in the playoffs and get past the 2nd round. 3-1 choke job... followed by a 25 pt halftime choke job... locker room is likely lost
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This is my hangup. I really think he is good at slow longterm methodical strategy, but if it's disrupted, he is not good on his feet. I personally have similar strengths/limitations, so somehow you have to rectify that weakness that can't make an adjustment. I guarantee if we played again in a month we would annihilate the Clippers, trouble is that's not how it works.

Can somebody help Quin make the quick adjustments? If not, I think you have to move on. Early whisperings sound like we are running it back one more before hitting the eject button on this team. I think I understand it, but it's hard to put faith in right now if that's what happens.

I felt like the Memphis series was way closer than it needed to be as well.
 
Release the Kraken said:
Yeah but as a player, he’s the guy that buried Notre Dame in the tourney on a last second drive, got a ring with Bird and once tackled Tree Rollins. Dude was fearless and played hurt and dare I say a better major leaguer than Jordan turned out to be. Good GM too. His hiring of Stevens was his downfall IMO.
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oh yeah he was a tough guy with a lot of career success and a key part of those Celtics teams. I was rooting for him because I hate the Lakers.
 
The Thriller said:
This franchise needs an overhaul so badly. I wonder if Spida is already one foot out the door due to the last two years of offseason debacles and early playoff exits. If he throws a ball at a rookie during a game we’ll know for sure…
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During Dwill/Booz era we were just one Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka away from seriously competing with the Lakers for a title. Instead KOC and the FO got us Fesenko and Koufos who were proven to be no match against Pau Gasol in the playoffs.

Still disappointed to see Dwill quit the way he did.

Hopefully history won't repeat itself as we see DL passing up one opportunity after another to find us that last missing piece.
 
jom2003 said:
During Dwill/Booz era we were just one Marc Gasol/Serge Ibaka away from seriously competing with the Lakers for a title. Instead KOC and the FO got us Fesenko and Koufos who were proven to be no match against Pau Gasol in the playoffs.

Still disappointed to see Dwill quit the way he did.

Hopefully history won't repeat itself as we see DL passing up one opportunity after another to find us that last missing piece.
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Stop it hurts!!!
 
What I don't get is TJ is basically saying it's deep deep run or bust which tells me that it's already in the back of your mind that you might be blowing it up after next season and if that's the case why not just rip the band aid off now instead of later? You need not only a good team but some luck. Jazz didn't have the luck this year but this roster is further off of a title than it actually seems IMO. And I'm not too sure 1-2 new (cheap) pieces are going to really change that. It seems like there isn't going to be any major moves so players you're going to get in are going to be around the MLE/minimum price range and Jazz level MLE/minimum players aren't the same level MLE/minimum players that are going to big markets. We all thought that when getting Jeff Green we might be getting a guy that could be our small ball 5/stretch 4 and look how that one ended up. Like TJ said is the Jazz aren't matchup proof and if you're not matchup proof you need to be damn lucky. Well I don't see the Jazz getting anyone on the cheap that's going to make them matchup proof.

I don't have any faith in this current FO make the right moves so if it was me I'm cleaning house right now. Then once the new FO comes in let them analyze the team and if they say they don't believe this is a legit title contending roster then rip that band off now. Move out the older players. Get younger and more athletic to fit Don's timeline and hope you're making some legit progress before his contract is up, the goal as a team is to win a championship but a side goal is to get Donovan to sign that 3rd contract. You got 4 years to prove to him you can actually compete full stop.
 
That1UtahFan said:
What I don't get is TJ is basically saying it's deep deep run or bust which tells me that it's already in the back of your mind that you might be blowing it up after next season and if that's the case why not just rip the band aid off now instead of later? You need not only a good team but some luck. Jazz didn't have the luck this year but this roster is further off of a title than it actually seems IMO. And I'm not too sure 1-2 new (cheap) pieces are going to really change that. It seems like there isn't going to be any major moves so players you're going to get in are going to be around the MLE/minimum price range and Jazz level MLE/minimum players aren't the same level MLE/minimum players that are going to big markets. We all thought that when getting Jeff Green we might be getting a guy that could be our small ball 5/stretch 4 and look how that one ended up. Like TJ said is the Jazz aren't matchup proof and if you're not matchup proof you need to be damn lucky. Well I don't see the Jazz getting anyone on the cheap that's going to make them matchup proof.

I don't have any faith in this current FO make the right moves so if it was me I'm cleaning house right now. Then once the new FO comes in let them analyze the team and if they say they don't believe this is a legit title contending roster then rip that band off now. Move out the older players. Get younger and more athletic to fit Don's timeline and hope you're making some legit progress before his contract is up, the goal as a team is to win a championship but a side goal is to get Donovan to sign that 3rd contract. You got 4 years to prove to him you can actually compete full stop.
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The Jeff Green, Ed Davis and Tony Bradley sagas were full out disasters. Davis and Bradley showed they were stiffs this season. Green on the other hand had his moments including dropping 27 points on the Bucks in a playoff game. Green was just worthless when he was here but it brings the question as to whether Quin or his system is an idiot.
 
homeytennis said:
The Jeff Green, Ed Davis and Tony Bradley sagas were full out disasters. Davis and Bradley showed they were stiffs this season. Green on the other hand had his moments including dropping 27 points on the Bucks in a playoff game. Green was just worthless when he was here but it brings the question as to whether Quin or his system is an idiot.
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In all fairness Quin gave Green more PT than Niang, who was mocked as Quin's son at times. Green was also featured in every single game while he was here so it was a surprise to everyone when the news of us waiving him broke out cuz unlike Shaq, greens spot in the rotation was well secured.

So cutting Green may be one of those money saving decisions made by DL cuz Green's contract only ran one year compared to Ed's two year deal(thank you Dennis), making him more expendable.
 
That1UtahFan said:
What I don't get is TJ is basically saying it's deep deep run or bust which tells me that it's already in the back of your mind that you might be blowing it up after next season and if that's the case why not just rip the band aid off now instead of later? You need not only a good team but some luck. Jazz didn't have the luck this year but this roster is further off of a title than it actually seems IMO. And I'm not too sure 1-2 new (cheap) pieces are going to really change that. It seems like there isn't going to be any major moves so players you're going to get in are going to be around the MLE/minimum price range and Jazz level MLE/minimum players aren't the same level MLE/minimum players that are going to big markets. We all thought that when getting Jeff Green we might be getting a guy that could be our small ball 5/stretch 4 and look how that one ended up. Like TJ said is the Jazz aren't matchup proof and if you're not matchup proof you need to be damn lucky. Well I don't see the Jazz getting anyone on the cheap that's going to make them matchup proof.

I don't have any faith in this current FO make the right moves so if it was me I'm cleaning house right now. Then once the new FO comes in let them analyze the team and if they say they don't believe this is a legit title contending roster then rip that band off now. Move out the older players. Get younger and more athletic to fit Don's timeline and hope you're making some legit progress before his contract is up, the goal as a team is to win a championship but a side goal is to get Donovan to sign that 3rd contract. You got 4 years to prove to him you can actually compete full stop.
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I deeply feel all of this.

In hindsight, I think the Memphis series exposed us just as much as the Clippers series as just not being close to a championship caliber team. We were on the ropes in EVERY game that series save game 5 to a team that shouldn’t even have been in the Playoffs.

We are not winning a championship with this core and aren’t particularly close in my mind. DL will never concede that, which is why this starts with a run back this year (because he isn’t getting fired) and ends with a tear down next year after DL is fired.

The story of the Utah Jazz is allowing the good to be the enemy of the great. It’s why we are one of the winningest franchises but have no championships.
 
jom2003 said:
In all fairness Quin gave Green more PT than Niang, who was mocked as Quin's son at times. Green was also featured in every single game while he was here so it was a surprise to everyone when the news of us waiving him broke out cuz unlike Shaq, greens spot in the rotation was well secured.

So cutting Green may be one of those money saving decisions made by DL cuz Green's contract only ran one year compared to Ed's two year deal(thank you Dennis), making him more expendable.
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I think when Green was cut Tucker was signed and DedEx was traded for Clarkson all within 24 hours.
 
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