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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

One Brow said:
No one owns antifa, they are not organized hierarchically. Black Lives Matter is run by black people, but I'm sure some white people provide funding.
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You needn't believe every lie you hear, nor just the ones you want to believe. Check it out. Look at the leadership. Look at the most critical decisions, the most basic beliefs.

Communists, Socialists.... almost any effective agenda based change agency or movement, are all fundamentally owned by people whose first jpriority is to disguise their real long term goals and their most important steerage hands.

If it were at root a real "grass roots" sort of thing, it would not have the staying power to keep moving through issues one after another, like BLM and Antifa do.

Count on it. They are not people-based, but oligarchal tools They quack like that, they smell like that. They are that. And yes, "Communism" has always been a tool, handled by people who know the ideals and values are false, but it can be used to augment and ensure power. Fascist Power.
 
The Thriller said:
My wife donated to BLM. In fact, we attended their rally this morning in Salt Lake City. Nearly everyone wore masks (thank goodness)..
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I'm sure most people who gather in these mass gatherings during a pandemic that's claiming the lives of millions think this way. You're fighting for the lives while you're willfully taking the lives of others, you dumb ****.

I just heard my mom is on life support with pneumonia...
 
Zombie said:
Considering that was the data point I was working from that initiated the conversation was from 2013 I think it's fine.

I doubt 2013 was an outlier year for pizza delivery drivers getting murdered, but I guess it's possible. How about you prove to me that it was since that's what your argument here seems to hinge on.
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"Lies, damn lies, and statistics."
 
babe said:
You needn't believe every lie you hear, nor just the ones you want to believe. Check it out. Look at the leadership. Look at the most critical decisions, the most basic beliefs.

Communists, Socialists.... almost any effective agenda based change agency or movement, are all fundamentally owned by people whose first jpriority is to disguise their real long term goals and their most important steerage hands.

If it were at root a real "grass roots" sort of thing, it would not have the staying power to keep moving through issues one after another, like BLM and Antifa do.

Count on it. They are not people-based, but oligarchal tools They quack like that, they smell like that. They are that. And yes, "Communism" has always been a tool, handled by people who know the ideals and values are false, but it can be used to augment and ensure power. Fascist Power.
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So many assumptions, absolutes, and sad musings. I don’t know what to say really.


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The Coronavirus is on the rise in multiple states, including Utah, and the Thriller thinks wearing a mask while attending a mass gathering is saving lives.

I'm all with fighting for BLM. My heart goes out to the black, and any other community/minority that's purposely or subconsciously targeted by the police.

But you dumb ****s gathering in masses during a pandemic is wreckless, especially at this point.

Thriller, you claim you're an educator, right? Your recklessness knows no color, no religion, no ideologies, and wearing masks hardly prevents the spread of Covid.

My mom is on life support.
 
babe said:
I think the organized deployment of this talking point comes from an intent to fundamentally transform law enforcement into something that can be politically managed in a way that cuts out all the constitutional sorts of law/legal proceedings. It looks easier to manage, but the purpose is not for people to have input or better protection or better actual rights. The purpose is effective enforcement of compliance to political requirements.

People in UN meetups have been talking about this for decades. I think Henry Kissinger said that the UN objectives could never be enforced so long as law enforcement personnel viewed themselves as part of the community. So the idea went around to how can it be ever arranged for law enforcement people to feel "different". Some said they could be isolated by mere cohesive internal culture that displaced community identities. Some said people have to be divided so there is no "cohesive community", but just a lot of minorities that can be manipulated. Then some said they could just hire mercenary outsiders to do the work.

Yes, kiddies, this is your UN at its finest. And Sir Henry Kissinger was so loved by the Queen, she made him "special", and today he is one of them..... one of the elite Brit establishment.

What the well-informed mayor said about ordinary citizens speaking from "a position of privilege" was actually true, but she meant it to inform the person expecting law officers to protect her rights that she was delusional to imagine she still had any, and that is why no police would be sent.

The new order of the day is the open exhibition of Power, the perfect "Arrogance of Power".
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No, its the opposite of this. What Kissinger said is how the police are currently. People want the opposite of that.

People want police that are apart of the community and working together. People want police that follow laws and follow constitutional sorts of law/legal proceedings.
 
Archie Moses said:
I'm sure most people who gather in these mass gatherings during a pandemic that's claiming the lives of millions think this way. You're fighting for the lives while you're willfully taking the lives of others, you dumb ****.

I just heard my mom is on life support with pneumonia...
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I'm sorry to hear about your mom Archie, best of luck
 
BabyPeterzz said:
So many assumptions, absolutes, and sad musings. I don’t know what to say really.


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There is not much you can do to debate with someone that firmly believes something without any evidence of it. He has posted some really crazy unsupported claims about this many times on here. No reason to take any of them remotely serious.
 
Archie Moses said:
I'm sure most people who gather in these mass gatherings during a pandemic that's claiming the lives of millions think this way. You're fighting for the lives while you're willfully taking the lives of others, you dumb ****.

I just heard my mom is on life support with pneumonia...
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I'm truly sorry about your mom bro. That really sucks.
I don't think covid has claimed the lives of millions though. That's neither here nor there though. Really really sucks about your mom.

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fishonjazz said:
I'm truly sorry about your mom bro. That really sucks.
I don't think covid has claimed the lives of millions though. That's neither here nor there though. Really really sucks about your mom.

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It hasn't but when all is said and done?

That's what I mean.

I don't have relationship with my mom and if she goes that will probably make thin6 harder for me (hard to explain.) Knowing my mom though, she's got this.
 
babe said:
If we want opportunity, and access to the resources of this world, little folks need cops to enforce the laws that give them the rights.
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Again, you aren't talking about opportunity for everyone, or access to resources for everyone. You are talking about the select class of lions and wolves that will use up most of those opportunities and resources at the expense of everyone else. If you are interested in preserving the power of all of these corporations that you consider to be "people", with no robust solution for their monstrous corruption, then in truth the "arrogance of power" ball isn't in my court. It is in yours, and what I am getting from you thus far is that you are perfectly fine with routine murders of the disenfranchised by the police. So long as your "people" get to keep all of their wealth.

And speaking of social castes, cops have shown that they have no intention of protecting brown people, or the poor. They are perfectly fine with their esteemed (and unimpeachable) status as untouchables, with the most powerful unions in the country, and a monopoly on state-sanctioned violence.

That wealth is going to be taken if it isn't given. I am not a violent person, and I have no inclination towards revolt because I have a great marriage and am raising a 2-year-old. But what I am trying to get through to you is that the American status quo is untenable in the information age. There is going to be a war over these resources described, and over the violent events that are bearing out of the policing of these protests.

The young people of this country feel like they have no future to speak of. They will act accordingly.
 
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Archie Moses said:
I'm sure most people who gather in these mass gatherings during a pandemic that's claiming the lives of millions think this way. You're fighting for the lives while you're willfully taking the lives of others, you dumb ****.

I just heard my mom is on life support with pneumonia...
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Archie,

I just want you to know that I care about you. I might be a jazzfanz tough guy jackass more than I care to admit, and even direct that towards people I know and like in real life. But I just want you to know that I do think a lot of you and I think you're an amazing person.

My advice to you is that after having a very strained relationship with my mother the several years leading up to her getting cancer and eventually dying from it, is to ask your mother anything you ever wanted to know, tell her everything you've ever wanted to say. Truth is, even if everything turns out okay, doing that will only make things more clear for you. I don't know if it'll make things better or worse, but it will make it easier for you to make the decisions you need to make. I didn't do it and I really wish I had.
 
babe said:
You needn't believe every lie you hear, nor just the ones you want to believe. Check it out. Look at the leadership. Look at the most critical decisions, the most basic beliefs.
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You mean, the information on their website? I've seen it. You think it is lies. What's your source? Offer it here for evaluation.

babe said:
Communists, Socialists.... almost any effective agenda based change agency or movement, are all fundamentally owned by people whose first jpriority is to disguise their real long term goals and their most important steerage hands.
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See, ranting like this, with no facts behind it, is why it's hard to take you seriously.

babe said:
If it were at root a real "grass roots" sort of thing, it would not have the staying power to keep moving through issues one after another, like BLM and Antifa do.
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The protests come and go, anger builds and fades. What staying power?
 
Mike,

Good luck. Going through something like that is never easy. Just don’t wait to do or say anything you feel the need to do or say.
 
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