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infection said:
So here's the Markkanen take if you're looking at the big picture:

@Handlogten's Heros theorem says that this summer you either have to dump Favors or Bojan if you're bringing Conley back. The big issue on Markkanen is that you've gotta pay him this summer. Who knows what that looks like. The argument has been that he's underwhelming or maybe he's just Bojan. Who knows. He's not a rebounder, but compared to Bojan his TRB% is nearly twice of his, and has been better in previous years. He's obviously still young. But, if you viewed this from the lens of it also being a preemptive move on Bojan for this summer (under the belief in HH's theorem), then you're essentially making that move now, getting to see Markkanen up close, then worst-case-scenario this summer you let him walk (as opposed to sending out Bojan into someone's cap space). Or you determine you want to pay him, which means you think he's going to be a piece.
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Bingo.

Whether or not the Jazz have the pieces or the skill to make a move happen is the question in my mind. But if they could turn Bojan and picks into Markkanen then I honestly think it's a homerun.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Bingo.

Whether or not the Jazz have the pieces or the skill to make a move happen is the question in my mind. But if they could turn Bojan and picks into Markkanen then I honestly think it's a homerun.
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I would only do it if it was straight up or if the picks were second rounders. Lauri has some potential for sure... but until this year his shot has been really meh. He's constantly hurt so either unlucky or just his body won't cooperate.

I don't think they would do it straight up but they might for a vet to push for the playoffs and for cost certainty.

We wouldn't do this deal though... we are in win now mode and Lauri is not as ready to help with that as Bojan is... many might disagree but I'd guarantee our front office sees Bojan this year > Lauri this year.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Boston would likely do two firsts for Vuc... then you sell off Gordon to another suitor for a pick or two. Magic basically were said to be shutting people down that are asking about him. If I were them and I could get one good young player, one decent first, and expiring salary or just okayish salary... I'd jump on board and pivot so hard.

So let's say Boston says two firsts and thompson for Vuc... sign me up... then if Denver wants Gordon for 2 firsts and Harris (not great salary but whatevs)... done deal. And there you have 4 firsts... plus your first this year could improve by ensuring you stay bottom 4. Next year you have Isaac and Fultz coming back plus whoever you draft... you suck for another year or two but have some hope of being more than just the 8 seed.

The tear down should be the easiest part of the rebuild... yet dumb teams screw it up.
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Boston needs playmaking so it really doesn't make much of sense for them to go for Vuce... But yeah, it would require some major FO blunder for them to pull off Vuce trade.
 
Lauri is basically the Prozingis twins. Just ask Mavs if they regret giving the unicorn that contract and they’d probably say yes. It's the same kind of trap with Lauri right now. Giving him too much money is unhealthy for the team but if you don't meet his demand, rest assured that some teams will.
 
jom2003 said:
Boston needs playmaking so it really doesn't make much of sense for them to go for Vuce... But yeah, it would require some major FO blunder for them to pull off Vuce trade.
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They've been rumored to be interested in him for most of the year until the Magic shut them down apparently... they acting like he's Bradley Beal.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I would only do it if it was straight up or if the picks were second rounders. Lauri has some potential for sure... but until this year his shot has been really meh. He's constantly hurt so either unlucky or just his body won't cooperate.

I don't think they would do it straight up but they might for a vet to push for the playoffs and for cost certainty.

We wouldn't do this deal though... we are in win now mode and Lauri is not as ready to help with that as Bojan is... many might disagree but I'd guarantee our front office sees Bojan this year > Lauri this year.
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Here’s the problem, though: if we say no to a trade like that (not necessarily opining in it myself), only to turn around and ship BB out this summer (under premise of having to do it to bring Conley back), then we’re saying it’s this year or bust. If that’s the case, then every chip has to be on the table now. And yes, that includes waiving some end of bench guys for better players.
 
infection said:
Here’s the problem, though: if we say no to a trade like that (not necessarily opining in it myself), only to turn around and ship BB out this summer (under premise of having to do it to bring Conley back), then we’re saying it’s this year or bust. If that’s the case, then every chip has to be on the table now. And yes, that includes waiving some end of bench guys for better players.
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Right but you ship BB out once you have more info in the offseason... you will know if Mike is coming back... you will know how you did in the playoffs... you will know if he got his mojo back.

You may also know you can nab OP Jr. with the taxpayer mle, you may get better offers as teams miss out on their primary targets, and you aren't limited to a trading pool of guys on expiring deals.

I also think things are going too well for a trade of someone from our core... unless it was an absolute ****ing no brainer. Like I am not even sure if DL would do Bojan plus a first for Aaron Gordon.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They've been rumored to be interested in him for most of the year until the Magic shut them down apparently... they acting like he's Bradley Beal.
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Depends on what Celtics is offering. Two Celtics first rounders that is likely to be in the 20range really won't do much for Orlando. But if Magic asks for too much then Ainge probably is too smart to fall for it. It's really hard to find a trade scenario for Vuce that makes sense.
 
jom2003 said:
Depends on what Celtics is offering. Two Celtics first rounders that is likely to be in the 20range really won't do much for Orlando. But if Magic asks for too much then Ainge probably is too smart to fall for it. It's really hard to find a trade scenario for Vuce that makes sense.
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Okay but 2 mid/late firsts and 20 M in cap space is not nothing. The space can be used for salary dumps and picks... or go out and sign a young FA that might be good when the rest of your team is good... or just do 1 year place holders that you can flip for small assets.

We don't know which one of those picks could hit... Vuc himself was a pick in the mid first.

If I was Orlando all it'd take is a top 10 protected pick, Nesmith, and they take Nik into their trade exception and I'd be good to go.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Right but you ship BB out once you have more info in the offseason... you will know if Mike is coming back... you will know how you did in the playoffs... you will know if he got his mojo back.

You may also know you can nab OP Jr. with the taxpayer mle, you may get better offers as teams miss out on their primary targets, and you aren't limited to a trading pool of guys on expiring deals.

I also think things are going too well for a trade of someone from our core... unless it was an absolute ****ing no brainer. Like I am not even sure if DL would do Bojan plus a first for Aaron Gordon.
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I didn’t think a trade will happen and we’ll just do buyout. I’m not into a lot of guys like Gordon. Markkanen is very theoretical. Not sure how I feel, but based on certain premises, it makes sense from other angles.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Apparently the Pacers are listening to offers on Brogdon.

I love Brogdon a whole lot. We don't know what's gonna happen with Mike, Brogdon could conceivably play the 3, and we could probably use someone to shore up the Jingles as he ages.

Again, Jazz probably don't have the assets, there'd probably have to be a third team involved, but I'd try if I were them.
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Next to Lavine and maybe Marcus Smart, Brogdon is my dream pick to pair with Donovan.
 
infection said:
I didn’t think a trade will happen and we’ll just do buyout. I’m not into a lot of guys like Gordon. Markkanen is very theoretical. Not sure how I feel, but based on certain premises, it makes sense from other angles.
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Unless something like Smart for Bojan falls in our lap we aren't doing a trade... even then not sure that DL liked Smart skipping out on the balance beam test and handpad analysis during the draft workouts so maybe a no-go.

I think I am almost fully on board with your OP Jr. or nothing philosophy at this point. Unless Rudy Gay or someone in that tier gets bought out, I think the only guy that would definitely be in the rotation would be OP Jr. If he was bought out I honestly think we have a really good shot.
 
We should discuss the concept of diminishing returns.
 
According to the Athletic this is what the Jazz are doing: "League sources tell The Athletic that the Jazz are in the market for a defender — a perimeter defender, to be more specific. The Jazz would also like that player to be an above-average shooter, if possible, as shooting is the dominant skill of the roster in its entirety. And that’s where things get more difficult. The Jazz aren’t looking for a surefire rotation guy. They are happy with their rotation, happy with their chemistry and happy with the direction the season is going."
 
KqWIN said:
It's ****ing crazy that BOS may move Smart in the Aaron Gordon deal. Smart should be worth 2 firsts on his own like Covington was.
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Their locker room is a mess based on what media folks are saying.

I’m cool with a guy that creates locker room issues by being competitive. Although Rudy and Marcus may end up in several locker room shouting matches.
 
homeytennis said:
According to the Athletic this is what the Jazz are doing: "League sources tell The Athletic that the Jazz are in the market for a defender — a perimeter defender, to be more specific. The Jazz would also like that player to be an above-average shooter, if possible, as shooting is the dominant skill of the roster in its entirety. And that’s where things get more difficult. The Jazz aren’t looking for a surefire rotation guy. They are happy with their rotation, happy with their chemistry and happy with the direction the season is going."
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I read the whole article the other day... It seems like the preface to the DL press conference where he declares Miye Oni to be our big deadline acquisition.
 
homeytennis said:
According to the Athletic this is what the Jazz are doing: "League sources tell The Athletic that the Jazz are in the market for a defender — a perimeter defender, to be more specific. The Jazz would also like that player to be an above-average shooter, if possible, as shooting is the dominant skill of the roster in its entirety. And that’s where things get more difficult. The Jazz aren’t looking for a surefire rotation guy. They are happy with their rotation, happy with their chemistry and happy with the direction the season is going."
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Soooooo. . . Oni then.
 
Cptgrnlngs22 said:
I would love to send bogey and a couple firsts to Chicago for LaVine. Doesn’t fix our perimeter D but gives us an upgrade on the offensive end as well as youth.


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actually Lavine has apparently improved a lot on D, which is good
 
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