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Trade deadline discussion

LoPo said:
I agree. If we can use our older guys, expirings, etc by this deadline or this summer to add a good, young piece next to Don and Rudy, we have a really good chance of spending big in summer 2023 on a guy like Grant or Brown. I don't think we can get Brown or Grant now, but maybe we could get them in 2023.
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Well here’s another thing: if Grant is an expiring that year, ****, maybe that makes it extra valuable to get him now. It would serve multiple purposes:
-good player now, builds the argument that we’re a sick franchise
-expiring contract to chase Brown
-potential option to pivot back to if Brown falls through as we’d have bird rights.

We’d also know how he actually works on THIS team instead of guessing/hoping.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I just dont see how anything happens seeing as the Jazz are:

1. Too cheap. They are dealing 2nd rounders to save pennies and dealing 1st rounders to save money as well. And that was when the team had hopes of being elite again this year. Now that we are back to just being a very good team, I doubt Ryan Smith is going to suddenly start spending. I don't see them dealing expiring contracts to get back long-term money like a Marcus Smart. Best case scenario is we trade Ingles for a dude(s) who makes around MLE money next year, so it would essentially act as our MLE signing for 2022-2023.

2. They don't have any good picks to trade

3. Clarkson is either untradeable without giving up assets, the Jazz are unwilling to trade him because Mitchell likes him, or the Jazz are unwilling to trade him because they think the gamble of him getting hot at the right time is better than what they could get for him. The Jazz for some stupid reason gave dude a player option, so he likely has 2 years left on his deal after this year.

So basically I think the only thing the Jazz do is maybe trade Ingles for a dude like Justin Holiday and Torrey Craig if Indy shops these dudes and realize they can't get back any draft capital for them, so they simply deal them for an expiring contract.

That would mean they have Holiday/Craig under contract next year for around 10 million combined. That might be too much for Utah tbh.
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I think something happens. It will either be:

1- something meaningful that costs us a first that will scare us a little.
2- Window dressing... like the Craig/Holiday deal.
3- Worst case... and the deal everyone hates but local media will defend... we send another second out with Joe for a slightly smaller contract... like to NOP for Satoransky... and Ryan saves a few bucks.

I don't know what the "right" move is... I wish I knew more about the psyche of the players and their willingness to really buy in... that will have more to do with our success than any move we make. I don't see the move that is worth it two years from now. I think we more likely make a RoCo type mistake like Portland did.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I have zero problem bringing in guys that players get along with if they are homies. As long as you don't pay a large premium to do so its just fine. Part of getting your best out of players is having them happy. Having guys around that are cool with each other will likely make them happier.

I'd actually love to land one of Rudy's homies. Not to create clicks but to help him have someone that understands him and can tell him when he needs to chill. Who does Rudy vibe with on this squad? Hassan?
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They got rid of Neto. Reacquire him. Give Rudy a buddy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
We havent heard a ****ing peep about Clarkson being on the trade block since he has been here.
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Larsen has indicated he's on the block in a couple different pods. I want to say I heard some rumblings elsewhere like Jake Fisher.

I don't think he is untouchable by any means. His value just might not be that great.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Well here’s another thing: if Grant is an expiring that year, ****, maybe that makes it extra valuable to get him now. It would serve multiple purposes:
-good player now, builds the argument that we’re a sick franchise
-expiring contract to chase Brown
-potential option to pivot back to if Brown falls through as we’d have bird rights.

We’d also know how he actually works on THIS team instead of guessing/hoping.
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Good points too.

If we truly are "all in", we have to do something before the deadline. I think we need to do something with Clarkson and Ingles' expiring. Might as well be bold.
 
Justin Holiday would be a really good fit, near perfect.

He shoots a ton of 3's and he makes 38% of them.

Plays solid defense. Has length. He's good enough to be a starter if called upon.

I advocated signing him instead of Clarkson back when we re-signed Clarkson.



Hard to think that the Pacers won't be able to get a 2nd rounder out of him though, so maybe Utah should pony up (but they have nothing to really pony up with sadly).

The best case scenario would be the Jazz do the Ingles trade for Holiday/Craig and are somehow able to trade Clarkson for some 2nd rounders. Use those 2nd rounders to sweeten the deal for Indy to get Holiday/Craig.
 
One thing I have wondered with this Philly Harden BS. The threat of them doing a sign and trade in the offseason is not all that real. They can't just sign Harden outright. If I am Brooklyn I hold out for a lot more than just a BS for Harden swap.

The issue is Philly would have to dump a lot of salary to do a sign and trade... even more to just sign Harden outright. They will be hard pressed to find a team to take Tobias Harris straight into cap space.... so they almost need to move him now for smaller contracts or expiring money. I wonder what draft capital they would be willing to part with to do so.

I think he only worth like half his contract number... but if they were willing to add two firsts to take him in a swap of Bogey/Ingles/stuff... Philly acts like they are in the driver's seat here and they have very little real leverage if folks call their bluff.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Justin Holiday would be a really good fit, near perfect.

He shoots a ton of 3's and he makes 38% of them.

Plays solid defense. Has length. He's good enough to be a starter if called upon.

I advocated signing him instead of Clarkson back when we re-signed Clarkson.



Hard to think that the Pacers won't be able to get a 2nd rounder out of him though, so maybe Utah should pony up (but they have nothing to really pony up with sadly).

The best case scenario would be the Jazz do the Ingles trade for Holiday/Craig and are somehow able to trade Clarkson for some 2nd rounders. Use those 2nd rounders to sweeten the deal for Indy to get Holiday/Craig.
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I like Holiday too. Seems like a low risk too since he's only making $6 million this year and $6.2 next.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Justin Holiday would be a really good fit, near perfect.

He shoots a ton of 3's and he makes 38% of them.

Plays solid defense. Has length. He's good enough to be a starter if called upon.

I advocated signing him instead of Clarkson back when we re-signed Clarkson.



Hard to think that the Pacers won't be able to get a 2nd rounder out of him though, so maybe Utah should pony up (but they have nothing to really pony up with sadly).

The best case scenario would be the Jazz do the Ingles trade for Holiday/Craig and are somehow able to trade Clarkson for some 2nd rounders. Use those 2nd rounders to sweeten the deal for Indy to get Holiday/Craig.
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I think he'd be great. Better against the guys Royce struggles to stay with. Willing and good shooter.

He is unvaccinated and that likely hurts his value quite a bit. Someone brought up that our protocols would change because of him as well. Not sure how big of a pain it is but he may get moved for less than we think.

Now that they are off of Levert's deal they could become a cap room team (I know its Indiana... but still). We might help them out by taking Holiday and Craig so next years books are even cleaner.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
His name is out there A LOT! I think he is really available. If the deal of Hart and stuff for CJ is out there I can't imagine something around Hart and JC is completely out of the realm of possibility. If you are NOP and you are having to add stuff and take a huge CJ deal.. maybe the JC deal where you get a lil something something is a nice substitute?
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Hart has been on my radar for so long. I think he's a good player and one that we need, but I also never thought they valued him and he didn't want to be there either. He only got $12M guaranteed this summer. That contract was signed to be traded....wouldn't even surprise me if they had an informal agreement that they would promise to trade him.

I thought his trade potential was dying out because he's played so well this year....but you're right his name is out there more than ever. Would love to get him on this team. And on the friend thing, he is good friends with Mitchell but Josh Hart is a dude that everyone likes (except Omari Spellman lol) . He's great for chemistry. I remember him seeing on a gaming podcast with Rudy Gobert.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think he'd be great. Better against the guys Royce struggles to stay with. Willing and good shooter.

He is unvaccinated and that likely hurts his value quite a bit. Someone brought up that our protocols would change because of him as well. Not sure how big of a pain it is but he may get moved for less than we think.

Now that they are off of Levert's deal they could become a cap room team (I know its Indiana... but still). We might help them out by taking Holiday and Craig so next years books are even cleaner.
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Hey, if being unvaccinated makes him cheaper to get, I'm not complaining.
 
KqWIN said:
Hart has been on my radar for so long. I think he's a good player and one that we need, but I also never thought they valued him and he didn't want to be there either. He only got $12M guaranteed this summer. That contract was signed to be traded....wouldn't even surprise me if they had an informal agreement that they would promise to trade him.

I thought his trade potential was dying out because he's played so well this year....but you're right his name is out there more than ever. Would love to get him on this team. And on the friend thing, he is good friends with Mitchell but Josh Hart is a dude that everyone likes (except Omari Spellman lol) . He's great for chemistry. I remember him seeing on a gaming podcast with Rudy Gobert.
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Hart will be president of the player's union one day.

I also wouldn't be shocked if they had a wink wink type of deal with him... and if they go into the offseason with his deal everyone knows its basically an expiring deal since he has a player option on the third year... so it is only downside (if he got hurt).

I'd do JC/Ingles for Hart/Sato and send them a top 14 protected first that turns into seconds... saves us like $10M between tax and salary... doesn't cost them a lot extra. They get to say they got a first for him even if it isn't a great one.
 
Couple quick thoughts:

-If Clarkson isn't traded, it's because no one wants him, and it's not for a lack of trying.
-Jaylen Brown isn't gettable, and wouldn't be worth DM. Y'all are nuts. As an aside, anyone with a concern about DM's ego would flip out about Brown's.
-I'm expecting not much to happen; at most, Ingles for Richardson. The Jazz don't have much in the way of assets, most of the teams that want the same players we do have better assets,
and Ainge tries not to make a deal where he's not the clear winner (even if it would be a win-win otherwise.) Not trying to be a downer, but trying to be realistic.
-If I could buy a 1 day subscription to the Athletic just to read what Tony Jones has to say, I would.
 
Another Indiana deal would be Joe for Lamb and Craig... Indiana is leaning up against the tax this year so likely would want some breathing room depending on the other stuff they do.

Gets them a little breathing room this year... gets them off of Craig's deal for next year.
 
I really hope we don't trade Joe. He won't play more this year, but he's still a locker room presence.
 
Indiana can get to about 30M in space by offloading Craig and Holiday. Maybe more if they move Sabonis.

They are a small market team obvi, but there are some intriguing free agents they could get in on... if they tried.
 
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