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ONE LOVE said:
Yeah they should have been able to get more for Harris. $16m is a lot of money but with the cap rising and the versatility that he brings at the PF position, I think Magic could have gotten more for him.


Magic GM is that young man who used to be in OKC isn't he? Didn't he also give away Dwight for virtually nothing too? I think that was the deal that DL said the whole league shook its head for how bad/lopsided it was... LOL
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They also gave Frye a contract that was a few years too long and I'm not sure they were bidding against anyone. I think he may be feeling the pressure to win now... Illyasova may help them do that for this year... But why not just move Harris to the bench as the third big. I didn't see him as the problem and rangy forwards are the "it" thing right now...
 
King Cy said:
2-1 when Harris doesnt play. All against playoff teams.

They are trying to trade Frye FYI and people need to stop talking about Jennings. He is simply an expiring contract.

I can nearly guarantee they will be better without Harris.
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3 game sample vs. two month sample. If you measure if they are better without him measure it against the whole year instead of their worst current stretch.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They also gave Frye a contract that was a few years too long and I'm not sure they were bidding against anyone. I think he may be feeling the pressure to win now... Illyasova may help them do that for this year... But why not just move Harris to the bench as the third big. I didn't see him as the problem and rangy forwards are the "it" thing right now...
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No, they are just trying to free cap space for free agency. This trade saves them about 10,000,000 dollars to spend next year. Part of that will be spent retaining Fournier and the rest can be used to get another max contract. They were smart for getting rid of a sunk cost so they could try again this FA. They add a viable backup PF in the process.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
3 game sample vs. two month sample. If you measure if they are better without him measure it against the whole year instead of their worst current stretch.
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Bad defend and bad passer. They put more IQ on the floor without him there. Were the Jazz better when they gave away Kanter? Yes.
 
King Cy said:
Bad defend and bad passer. They put more IQ on the floor without him there. Were the Jazz better when they gave away Kanter? Yes.
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Harris>>>>>> Kanter.

They will likely be fine because Gordon replaces the value Harris was giving them, but they could have waited to clear cap space and they should have gotten a first round pick out of Detroit. Free agency is dicey and this year will be completely unpredictable. They got .60 cents on the dollar and helped out a team they are trying to pass on their way to the playoffs.

Watch what SVG does with Harris...
 
Also the Magic have not done well in Free Agency... last few signings are CJ Watson at 3 years $15M and Channing Frye... It will help them retain Fournier who is good, but the next good FA signing they have will be their first.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Harris>>>>>> Kanter.

They will likely be fine because Gordon replaces the value Harris was giving them, but they could have waited to clear cap space and they should have gotten a first round pick out of Detroit. Free agency is dicey and this year will be completely unpredictable. They got .60 cents on the dollar and helped out a team they are trying to pass on their way to the playoffs.

Watch what SVG does with Harris...
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Why is Harris better than Kanter? At least Kanter offers some niche elite skills like offensive rebounding. What does Harris do at an even above average level? Isolation scoring from the PF position?

What is SVG going to do with Harris? The same thing he does with Marcus Morris? But now Morris and Harris are going to have to take turns doing the exact same things. Unless Harris 3pt shot drastically increases this season, I don't see it working.
 
Let's not forget, Pistons are a 500 team. They just added a piece that is more talented, but is a harder fit.

Detroit was the 23rd ranked 3pt shooting team in terms of %. They are also the 2nd worst 3pt shooting teams of the teams who are in the top 10 attempts (actually tied for 1st with Boston). They traded arguably their best 3pt shooter (statistically 2nd best this year) for a guy who can't shoot 3's. Will SVG change his philosophy to reflect this and shoot less 3's? Or will he continue to try to space the floor and shoot 3's without 3pt shooters? I see this as a failed experiment and I wont be surprised if Detroit is shopping Harris next year around this time next year.
 
King Cy said:
Why is Harris better than Kanter? At least Kanter offers some niche elite skills like offensive rebounding. What does Harris do at an even above average level? Isolation scoring from the PF position?

What is SVG going to do with Harris? The same thing he does with Marcus Morris? But now Morris and Harris are going to have to take turns doing the exact same things. Unless Harris 3pt shot drastically increases this season, I don't see it working.
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He is a much better passer and Kanter was the leagues worst defender last year. Harris is not that. If used as a stretch four he presents matchup problems that Kanter does not.
 
Tiago Splitter is having season ending surgery...maybe it might help Jazz get Teague if we threw in a big like Withey? Withey, Burks, Buke & g.s. 1st for Teague / Korver?
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He is a much better passer and Kanter was the leagues worst defender last year. Harris is not that. If used as a stretch four he presents matchup problems that Kanter does not.
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Honestly I'd rather have Kanter as 6th man than Harris. More dominant skills that can be harnessed in 20 minute stretches and are more reliable.

I just see Harris' future as being an unreliable tweener who averages around 12-15 ppg on mediocre efficiency.
 
I like the Harris trade for both teams.

I would not like Tobias on the Jazz.

All these moving pieces and the Jazz have cap space, I will be very surprised if they are not involved in a trade...at a minimum as a third team to facilitate something for others teams.
 
The Piston's back up PG is now Steve Blake. Any chance that SVG brings home Michigan's favorite son, Trey Burke?

Does Detroit have anything to offer?
 
mellow said:
The Piston's back up PG is now Steve Blake. Any chance that SVG brings home Michigan's favorite son, Trey Burke?

Does Detroit have anything to offer?
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I was thinking about this. It would not surprise me to see Detroit trade for Trey as a backup PG. Maybe the Jazz can get a pick, or involve a third team.
 
mellow said:
The Piston's back up PG is now Steve Blake. Any chance that SVG brings home Michigan's favorite son, Trey Burke?

Does Detroit have anything to offer?
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Detroit wasnt willing to give up a pick to get Tobias Harris (that or Orlando is just really bad at negotiating), so I doubt they would give us a pick for a backup PG.
 
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