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Trade Favors Before Long

He's scoring at a career high 18.7 per 36 and his assists are waaaaaay up but his rebounding numbers are abysmally low. Just 4.8 per 36. Any idea as to why if he supposedly looks so good?
 
The Jazz rebounding numbers are down as a whole. I think it is in part due to the fact that teams are averaging about 18 turnovers per game against us. We’ve also been giving up some offensive rebounds.
 
we've been shopping Dfav for like the last 3 years

Apparently everyone wants him for a only a 2nd round pick so we've kept him - he's a high character guy, kept a good attitude throughout, can u imagine trading him for a nigel williams goss or a bolomboy? Glad we've held on to DFAV
 
framer said:
Once upon a time there was a player named Jeff Malone, who many would consider one of the greatest midrange shooters in NBA History. . .
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Once upon a time the Jazz had a player named Jeff Malone who they valued so much they traded him. If the Jazz can find a better fit, they need to trade Favs. Udoh has taken away Favs' role as a backup 5. Favs simply doesn't fit next to Gobert. And he'll be too expensive to keep. Jazz can't pay everyone. Just add up the salaries for next season and put in even conservative numbers for Hood, Exum and Favors. That puts the Jazz significantly into the luxury tax. I'd rather see Utah offload Favs and try to keep Joe Johnson.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
I have yet to hear who that player is though. Even if Ryno was on a decent contract, I don't think his 3 point shooting would make up for the loss defensively.

Also, for people who are convinced that Favors can't play next to Rudy because of spacing, I've noticed the last two games that Favors has been standing at the 3 line, and then when he gets the pass, he takes one step in and shoots, and he's been hitting those shots at a decent clip. I hate long 2's, but if he's that more confident shooting there and he's making them, that makes him just as effective spacing wise. That one step in to shoot is negligible, in terms of spacing.
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Favors shooting long 2s is exactly what most teams want. That's simply a terrible option.
 
rare144 said:
we've been shopping Dfav for like the last 3 years

Apparently everyone wants him for a only a 2nd round pick so we've kept him - he's a high character guy, kept a good attitude throughout, can u imagine trading him for a nigel williams goss or a bolomboy? Glad we've held on to DFAV
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Yeah he was broken. Of course no one wanted to part with an all Star for a broken favors. But if he puts in some good time and we can get good value for him I think we should consider it.
 
rare144 said:
we've been shopping Dfav for like the last 3 years

Apparently everyone wants him for a only a 2nd round pick so we've kept him - he's a high character guy, kept a good attitude throughout, can u imagine trading him for a nigel williams goss or a bolomboy? Glad we've held on to DFAV
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There have been trade rumors about him but I dont think the team has shopped him. They probably have listened to trade offers other team are making but they do that for all their players and the Jazz have obviously said no. He has not been on the trading block though.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Favors shooting long 2s is exactly what most teams want. That's simply a terrible option.
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Why? If it spaces the floor and he is getting good percentages that is a good thing. It can be a bad shot but only if players dont shoot it well. If he keeps shooting those shots at 50% which is what he is shooting so far this season that would be incredible and an efficient shot. So far this season:

His TS% is .571 which is the best of his career

Less Than 5 ft. 83.3%
5-9 ft. 25.0%
10-14 ft. 25.0%
15-19 ft. 50.0%
20-24 ft. 50.0%
25-29 ft. 0%

So those 15-24 foot shots have been solid for him. Maybe he doesnt keep it up but so far it is promising. I hope he starts to hit some threes as well but its not needed to space the floor or for him to be efficient.
 
Jack Strop said:
Once upon a time the Jazz had a player named Jeff Malone who they valued so much they traded him. If the Jazz can find a better fit, they need to trade Favs. Udoh has taken away Favs' role as a backup 5. Favs simply doesn't fit next to Gobert. And he'll be too expensive to keep. Jazz can't pay everyone. Just add up the salaries for next season and put in even conservative numbers for Hood, Exum and Favors. That puts the Jazz significantly into the luxury tax. I'd rather see Utah offload Favs and try to keep Joe Johnson.
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Dude, the point was that Jeff Malone couldn't hit a 3 ball if his life depended on it. Something about those 3 extra feet. . .
 
LogGrad98 said:
Favors shooting long 2s is exactly what most teams want. That's simply a terrible option.
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Meh, missing the point. This discussion is about Favors and his impact on spacing.

Nobody is saying we should try to win games by having Favors shoot long 2s. However, in terms of spacing, all he has to do is be consistent enough that he has to be defended. The point is that the spacing issue isn't night and day just because he isn't shooting 3s.
 
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When Favors steps out 18 - 20 feet, is his defender following him, or just staying back to clog the paint? Spacing isn't about where Favors stands, it's about whether he's a good enough shooter to draw his defender away from Rudy.
 
framer said:
Dude, the point was that Jeff Malone couldn't hit a 3 ball if his life depended on it. Something about those 3 extra feet. . .
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u_T4JLivGA

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Catchall said:
When Favors steps out 18 - 20 feet, is his defender following him, or just staying back to clog the paint? Spacing isn't about where Favors stands, it's about whether he's a good enough shooter to draw his defender away from Rudy.
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Which is what I've been saying. If he can hit those long 2s consistently, the difference in shooting the 3 is negligible in terms of spacing.
 
You definitely keep this on the table, but it would be wise for every reason to be patient and to not do it just to do it. He could be worth keeping, after all (his bird rights being the biggest reason a team would trade for him).

But point blank, until the Jazz have a long-term answer at the 4, jettisoning Favors really doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
Which is what I've been saying. If he can hit those long 2s consistently, the difference in shooting the 3 is negligible in terms of spacing.
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Ehh. Long 2s aren't worth guarding specifically because they're 2s. When converting a bucket yields 50% more points (like a 3 does), it makes guarding that shot more important in addition to the additional court space.

Favors will have to shoot damn-near 50% on those spot-up 2s in order to provide spacing, otherwise, those shots may just be decent release-valves in the offense and not really a matter of spacing (which obviously still means something).
 
Jack Strop said:
Once upon a time the Jazz had a player named Jeff Malone who they valued so much they traded him. If the Jazz can find a better fit, they need to trade Favs. Udoh has taken away Favs' role as a backup 5. Favs simply doesn't fit next to Gobert. And he'll be too expensive to keep. Jazz can't pay everyone. Just add up the salaries for next season and put in even conservative numbers for Hood, Exum and Favors. That puts the Jazz significantly into the luxury tax. I'd rather see Utah offload Favs and try to keep Joe Johnson.
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You can keep both? Joe Johnson isn't immortal, and he isn't going to be paid like he is in perpetuity.
 
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