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Handlogten's Heros said:
Over 6 years a lot can happen but yeah it’s not ideal… it’s also what you get in draft centered trade… no team will give up their whole draft future if they think they gonna be ***.

An OKC package would be better if they brought the other picks they own to the table. I think I like Jarace and Benny more than someone like Giddy… especially now since his recent troubles. Would be nice to get a high end prospect AND a boatload of picks.
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I completely agree about Jarace and Ben over Giddey. I could care less if Giddey is even in an OKC trade as long as we are getting all the clipper picks and swaps plus a another pick or 2 along with Dieng. Depending on how win now motivated Houston is I would have a lot of interest built around Jabari Smith and Cam Whitmore for Lauri. I guarantee I am higher on Jabari Smith though than probably anyone on this board.
 
Indiana should absolutely be bold. If they can add a long term piece through trade they can also likely still have max space to make another add. If I was Indiana and OKC I would absolutely be banging our doors down for Lauri. I doubt they could find a better fit of player, personality, cap flexibility, etc. IF we are willing to sell there won't be a better opportunity for them to add an all-star.
 
infection said:
For those of us wanting you to do the homework, what are they saying about the guy in the picture to the story?
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Not much. He’s long been a target but the article indicated it would take a lot to get him or something along those lines.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Indiana should absolutely be bold. If they can add a long term piece through trade they can also likely still have max space to make another add. If I was Indiana and OKC I would absolutely be banging our doors down for Lauri. I doubt they could find a better fit of player, personality, cap flexibility, etc. IF we are willing to sell there won't be a better opportunity for them to add an all-star.
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I think it will be hard to get premium assets for Lauri, the team trading for him will likely be good for a long time. I don’t know if I’d consider Mathurin and Walker premium, but more premium than picks likely to be in the 20s.


Edit: I just realized you had just mentioned these two lol.
 
infection said:
So, like, something more than Kelly Olynyk?
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Yeah... uhhh... nah. Bogey still got a lot more value on the market than KO. If they did it I'm guessing NY would send Fournier and one of their trash first round picks.
 
KqWIN said:
I think it will be hard to get premium assets for Lauri, the team trading for him will likely be good for a long time. I don’t know if I’d consider Mathurin and Walker premium, but more premium than picks likely to be in the 20s.


Edit: I just realized you had just mentioned these two lol.
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OKC is ideal because they can trade other teams picks. I think with Indiana I'd need Walker and 4 firsts and maybe a swap. They would project to be good, but who knows... Halliburton is real nice but I wonder if his pullup shooting is sustainable. It also seems like he gets dinged up a bit. If healthy and if Lauri extended they would project as a playoff team every year but injuries do happen and who knows.

We could probably get something similar this offseason... maybe one less pick or so... but if we really decide its time for the process then Indiana would be top of the list of teams I'd talk with.

I also wonder how committed they are to Mathurin. If you got Walker and Mathurin plus like 3 picks maybe that makes sense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yeah... uhhh... nah. Bogey still got a lot more value on the market than KO. If they did it I'm guessing NY would send Fournier and one of their trash first round picks.
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Imagine if KO for Fournier and a trash first round pick was on the table for us.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
OKC is ideal because they can trade other teams picks. I think with Indiana I'd need Walker and 4 firsts and maybe a swap. They would project to be good, but who knows... Halliburton is real nice but I wonder if his pullup shooting is sustainable. It also seems like he gets dinged up a bit. If healthy and if Lauri extended they would project as a playoff team every year but injuries do happen and who knows.

We could probably get something similar this offseason... maybe one less pick or so... but if we really decide its time for the process then Indiana would be top of the list of teams I'd talk with.

I also wonder how committed they are to Mathurin. If you got Walker and Mathurin plus like 3 picks maybe that makes sense.
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I don't think Lauri is as good as Mitchell or Gobert, but he fits so perfectly for so many teams. I'd like to get a bidding war going between IND, OKC, SAC, and maybe others like MIA, BKN, or NYK.
 
KqWIN said:
I don't think Lauri is as good as Mitchell or Gobert, but he fits so perfectly for so many teams. I'd like to get a bidding war going between IND, OKC, SAC, and maybe others like MIA, BKN, or NYK.
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Fit, contract size, and personality (he's not a guy that wants to force himself to market X)... I think he should yield as much in a trade as Rudy and Donovan. There also isn't an obvious next star available that teams would be super excited about. OKC is weirdly passive so they may not pony up the bounty we want. I can see Indy or Sac making a YOLO move. MIA and NY don't necessarily have the goods I'd be after. Brooklyn has some interesting picks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Fit, contract size, and personality (he's not a guy that wants to force himself to market X)... I think he should yield as much in a trade as Rudy and Donovan. There also isn't an obvious next star available that teams would be super excited about. OKC is weirdly passive so they may not pony up the bounty we want. I can see Indy or Sac making a YOLO move. MIA and NY don't necessarily have the goods I'd be after. Brooklyn has some interesting picks.
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The thunder may be less motivated if it looked like we were sending Lauri to the east but I could see them going all in to block a team in the west from snagging him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:

View: https://twitter.com/FredKatz/status/1733103130416468258


CC @KqWIN

Biggest thing... Knicks realize they may have "too many players". Not that interested in Grimes but Quickley continues to be exciting to me. Not sure its a wonderful fit with Key... not sure we should care. JC and pick for IQ and Fournier. Call it in.
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Do it. Quickley is basically Maxey without the PT & usage. Extremely similar profile. He's already one of the best sixth men in the league with potential to be so much more. JC averages 27 per 100 possession this season. IQ averages 31/100 on much higher efficiency. And it's not like he's a complete ball hog either. His A/T ratio is nearly 3. The kid plays an extremely effiencient offense.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Fit, contract size, and personality (he's not a guy that wants to force himself to market X)... I think he should yield as much in a trade as Rudy and Donovan. There also isn't an obvious next star available that teams would be super excited about. OKC is weirdly passive so they may not pony up the bounty we want. I can see Indy or Sac making a YOLO move. MIA and NY don't necessarily have the goods I'd be after. Brooklyn has some interesting picks.
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Presti is passive until he's not. Made the Harden and PG deals (x2) happen. You cannot handcraft a better player for OKC right now unless you're talking about the all time great level players. If Lauri is available I think he will pony up.
 
KqWIN said:
Presti is passive until he's not. Made the Harden and PG deals (x2) happen. You cannot handcraft a better player for OKC right now unless you're talking about the all time great level players. If Lauri is available I think he will pony up.
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Right and it is the right messaging to send out to the league and your team that they will let the cake bake rather than forcing something. Who knows what their real stance is.
 
jom2003 said:
Do it. Quickley is basically Maxey without the PT & usage. Extremely similar profile. He's already one of the best sixth men in the league with potential to be so much more. JC averages 27 per 100 possession this season. IQ averages 31/100 on much higher efficiency. And it's not like he's a complete ball hog either. His A/T ratio is nearly 3. The kid plays an extremely effiencient offense.
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Yeah another casualty of the Collins trade is the infinity cap space we should have. If you were in these talks with them and they want more you just threaten to throw IQ a MONSTER deal that they will either match or will hurt the asset value of the player significantly... while hamstringing their other dealings.
 
Intersting conversation about Lauri. I have been thinking of the best trade destinations for Lauri and I agree with a lot of what you are saying and disagree also.

Here is a run down of who could be in play if the Jazz traded Lauri.

Portland - not an option
GSW - This makes aot of sense if they wanted to go all in for 1 more push. Perfect fit.
Kings - this is interesting as they have a lot of young talent. Could be a nice fit
La Lakers - dont really want what they can offer. Only have 1 first to offer and no young players.
Clippers - have nothing to offer.
Suns - nothing to offer
Nuggets - why mess with something that is working.
Minny - not a good fit with Kat
Houston - this would be interesting if they wanted to get more competitive. Doesn't make sense to me
SAS - not a good choice
Dallas- nothing left to offer.
Nola - they need to dump Williamson and I dont want him.
Memphis - could be a potential trade if they want to get competitive.
Okc - this one makes the most sense. Would be a bold move by the thunder.
 
East coast teams

Bucks - have nothing left to trade
Detroit - why make a move
Chicago - needs to be sellers
Cavs - they would probably love to get him back but don't see it.
Indiana - I saw this here and they seem like a great option. Perfect fit on that team.
Boston - they need Lauri but have little to offer.
NYK - I think they wait for a top 25 player like Mitchell. If they settle Lauri would be interesting but Randle is a bad fit.
BKN - if they want to win Lauri is a good fit.
Was - not a good fit
Atl - would be a great fit but what do they have to offer.
Orlando - not a good destination. They are young and need development before going all in.
Miami - seems to make a ton of since but they would want to add herro. Might make sense.
Toronto - should be sellers. Not a great fit as they need better guard play.
Hornets- are a mess and Ball cant stay healthy. No reason to go in yet.
76ers - would be a great fit but what not sure I like their assets. Clippers picks might be nice.
 
3 best as I see it are

GSW - nice you talent with some picks. Future picks might have nice value.

OkC - has the best to offer would probably start with Jaylin Williams.

Indiana - would probably start with Mathurin.
 
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