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MT Steve said:
The point I was responding to is that he doesn't hurt his team by drawing more fouls and getting more freethrows. Nothing you brought up in your reply back to me debunks this.
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Well except that's not what i said. I specifically said the more shots he take the more he hurts the team because of his poor %. Not just FTs. Every shots. All shots. 2s. 3s. You name it. The guy is an all-around poor shooter. Wrose TS% than Westbrick last season says it all.

Nothing in my statement opposes "drawing fouls". Doesn't matter how many FTs you shoot in a game if you can't make them at a good %. That's all I said.

You equate a regular offense possession to shooting FTs which is just plain wrong. Teams don't score 1.4 pts every offense possession. Sure. But neither does RJ get to shoot FTs every offensive possession. There are so many possible outcomes out of an offensive possession and shooting FTs is just one of them.
 
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jom2003 said:
Well except that's not what i said. I specifically said the more shots he take the more he hurts the team because of his poor %. Not just FTs. Every shots. All shots. 2s. 3s. You name it. The guy is an all-around poor shooter. Wrose TS% than Westbrick last season says it all.

Nothing in my statement opposes "drawing fouls". Doesn't matter how many FTs you shoot in a game if you can't make them at a good %. That's all I said.
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You said this:

jom2003 said:
NBA's average FT % is about 73% so yeah if you are below leagues average you should strop cuz the more you shoot the more you hurt the team.
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If you didn't mean he's hurting his team when shooting FT's, then you worded this extremely poorly.
 
MT Steve said:
You said this:



If you didn't mean he's hurting his team when shooting FT's, then you worded this extremely poorly.
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So... the more a poor shooter shoots, the more he hurts his team.

Wow, can you believe this? I can't believe I just said that. What a bold statement
 
jom2003 said:
So... the more a poor shooter shoots, the more he hurts his team.

Wow, can you believe this? I can't believe I just said that. What a bold statement
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This is not true for freethrows. The way your sentence was worded implied it is.

Not sure why this is so difficult for you to follow.
 
MT Steve said:
This is not true for freethrows. The way your sentence was worded implied it is.

Not sure why this is so difficult for you to follow.
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yeah, it's very difficult apparently.

care enough to explain how letting a 70% FT shooter shoot more FTs is somehow good for your offense?
 
Release the Kraken said:
So this seems to be the all-purpose thread - both Lakers and Heat are expressing interest in Patrick Beverly.
www.cbssports.com

Lakers, Heat interested in acquiring Patrick Beverley if Jazz trade him, per report

Beverley played in Minnesota last season
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

It's weird to say as we've barely had him and the emotional investment is not there, but I'm going to be so pissed if we trade him and keep Conley:mad:
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Trade Bev to Miami for Jovic. Eh? A vet for a rook? Maybe I’m dreaming.
 
MT Steve said:
You want me to explain why 1.4 points per possession is good for your offense?

lol
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yes, care enough to explain why would RJ get to shoot FTs EVERY possession?

you know what the word "PER" means, right?

RJ Barrett averages 8.4 FTs per 100 possession for the Knicks last season, and he makes 6 of those every 100 possession. That makes it 0.06 pts scored off FTs per offensive possession. Not 1.4 per possession. Not even close.

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Checkout the latest stats of RJ Barrett. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com
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Even Shaq O'neal would get to score 1.1 pts on every possession if he simply got to go to the line every possession.

But he didn't.

Why else do you think teams did not just go execute hack-a-shaq every game from start to finish.
 
jom2003 said:
yes, care enough to explain why would RJ get to shoot FTs EVERY possession?

you know what the word "PER" means, right?

RJ Barrett averages 8.4 FTs per 100 possession for the Knicks last season, and he makes 6 of those every 100 possession. That makes it 0.06 pts scored off FTs per offensive possession. Not 1.4 per possession. Not even close.

www.basketball-reference.com

RJ Barrett Stats, Height, Weight, Position, Draft Status and more | Basketball-Reference.com

Checkout the latest stats of RJ Barrett. Get info about his position, age, height, weight, draft status, shoots, school and more on Basketball-Reference.com
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Even Shaq O'neil would get to score 1.1 pts on every possession if he simply got to go to the line every possession.

But he didn't.

Why else do you think teams did not just go execute hack-a-shaq every game from start to finish.
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You asked me how letting a 70% FT shooter shoot more FTs is good for your offense and I answered.

The discussion is not about how he would shoot FTs every possession, just that possessions that end with him shooting FTs are great possessions.
 
Release the Kraken said:
So this seems to be the all-purpose thread - both Lakers and Heat are expressing interest in Patrick Beverly.
www.cbssports.com

Lakers, Heat interested in acquiring Patrick Beverley if Jazz trade him, per report

Beverley played in Minnesota last season
www.cbssports.com www.cbssports.com

It's weird to say as we've barely had him and the emotional investment is not there, but I'm going to be so pissed if we trade him and keep Conley:mad:
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What if we take the Heat’s Godfather offer for Don and discount it slightly and give them Beverley?
 
MT Steve said:
You asked me how letting a 70% FT shooter shoot more FTs is good for your offense and I answered.

The discussion is not about how he would shoot FTs every possession, just that possessions that end with him shooting FTs are great possessions.
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A possession that ends with ANYONE shooting FTs is a great possession. Even for Shaq or Ben Simmons.

That's hardly an argument.

You know what else would be good to have?

More possessions.

It takes Poole about 2 "good possessions" to score 4 pts from FT line whereas it would take RJ "3 good possessions" to do the same.

I'm not arguing against having more good possessions. I'm arguing against RJ shooting more FTs. Him shooting more FTs mean more possessions it would have to exhaust and less possessions for others.

Just like every possession Westbrick hits a jumper would be a good possession. But why doesn't the coach want him to shoot? Because it would take him more possessions to finally hit a jumper than other players with better %.
 
Once Rudy was traded, it wouldn’t surprise me if Mitchell stated a trade preference to the team. He’d damage his brand and decrease the Jazz’s chances of getting the pick haul needed to actually trade him had he publically demanded, because he has no leverage.

It also doesn’t hurt that Don’s hometown team happened to be the team with the best trove of picks and young players. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if there’s an understanding that “we’ll get you to Miami or NY in exchange for a young guy or two, a haul of picks, and some bad salary, leaving the the team we’re trading you to to still be competitive, but you gotta be quiet and not put the stink of a trade request on us.”
 
MT Steve said:
Tell that to the jom2003 from an hour ago:
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Trent Forest can drop 40 if he gets to take 40 shots a game. But is that good for your offense?

For Barrett to take more FTs, it would require more possessions, which means less possessions for other players with better %s. It'd take Barrett 3 possessions to score 4 pts from FT whereas it only takes Poole 2.

Numbers of possessions/shots isn't infinite in a basketball game. The more shots one player takes will result in less shots for other players, which is why you would want the best shot from your best shooter with the highest %.

Not hard.
 
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jom2003 said:
If there's infinite number of possessions/shots available, then yeah. Go shoot as many as you's like. The more shots anybody take, the more pts that person is gonna score.

Trent Forest can drop 40 if he gets to take 40 shots a game. But since there is only finite number of possessions in a game, is that good for your offense?
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Yeah, you show that strawman who's boss.
 
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