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Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

Handlogten's Heros said:
We won't flip all of our vets... but some of them for sure. Let's assume we miraculously traded Mike, KO, Beasley, Vando and I will answer your questions

1- NAW, THT, Sexton, Ochai, Simone and yes lets look at a G Leaguer or two
2- Yes... only have to lose a few extra games and our shot at a top 4 pick goes up like 5x - 8xish.
3- We will have some latitude to sign FA in that case. No need to do a massive trade this offseason.
4- Your currency assumption is wrong. Huerter was traded from a playoff team for a measly protected pick this offseason. Even if we only deal with "clear rebuilders" those rebuilders have good players we will want. So yeah... currency is good to have.

I have a question... we keep all our vets... we draft 3 new guys... where all these roster spots gonna come from. How will we participate in FA with no open roster spots? How will we get dev time for those rookies and young players?
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Huerter was traded just to stay under luxury tax line so a really bad example. Its a trade earning Ressler over $30M this year. Ok so we can deal with rebuilders and cheap owners who are avoiding LT.

Also you very well know I'm all in for trading, if it serves a purpose of building the team up around Lauri and Kessler. Also your question was actually even answered in my 3rd one.

Only thing I object is the pick piling ideology, unless there is a plan other than "we use them to draft 18 rookies within next 7 years" (I counted 18 FRPs there).
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
OKC isn't perfect but some of the things they have done are great. Just by having some roster spots and playing time available they found some gems/keepers like Dort, Williams, Muscala while flipping vets for picks. They also were able to weed out some guys by seeing what they can do... We don't know what we have in Simone, Doke, and the 2 way guys... haven't seen them at all... so do we continue with them? Its a guess... churn the back end of the roster a bit and you can find some gems.
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You really think the coaches or our player development personnel are not evaluating them? I know eventually NBA minutes is the way to verify if they have it.. but just because you havent seen them doesnt mean the team doesnt know who they are.

I believe those who dont even break rotation barriers to get a chance are just not good players and it shows in practices.
 
HermanG said:
Huerter was traded just to stay under luxury tax line so a really bad example. Its a trade earning Ressler over $30M this year. Ok so we can deal with rebuilders and cheap owners who are avoiding LT.

Also you very well know I'm all in for trading, if it serves a purpose of building the team up around Lauri and Kessler. Also your question was actually even answered in my 3rd one.

Only thing I object is the pick piling ideology, unless there is a plan other than "we use them to draft 18 rookies within next 7 years" (I counted 18 FRPs there).
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The pick was needed in the Huerter trade... they sent back expiring salary. No pick no deal regardless of tax implications. Its a great example. Even if you are only dealing with rebuilding teams and cheap owners etc. - when you make trades that is who you are dealing with.... sellers... the reasons they sell are many. Contenders aren't sending good players for other good players. So yeah... I'm not worried about that at all. Guys traded for a pick or two the last season or two:

-CJ McCollum
-Jerami Grant
-Kevin Huerter
-Lonzo, Demar, and some others were in sign and trades with a pick involved.

The middling picks we acquire can be the trade fodder for starter quality players... the premium picks can be used to build the star talent... either through the draft or trade.

You consolidate picks to move up (see OKC this year) to get prospects you love. You can also defer picks by trading into other drafts. Worst case scenario... draft 18 guys over 7 years. Pick piling is similar to cash piling... stack a bunch of cash and you can jump on the best opportunities. Can you have too much cash to invest it efficiently... sure... is it really a problem... nope.
 
Jingled said:
I wonder what the Wizards are asking for him? I'd be interested, at the right price.
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I'm not really interested. Would rather just try and sign him in FA... I'd send em a second and an expiring deal if I wanted a try it before you buy it situation... but he's not even healthy right now.
 
We have enough guys that can score but struggle to pass and defend... so Rui is kinda redundant in that way.
 
HermanG said:
Huerter was traded just to stay under luxury tax line so a really bad example. Its a trade earning Ressler over $30M this year. Ok so we can deal with rebuilders and cheap owners who are avoiding LT.

Also you very well know I'm all in for trading, if it serves a purpose of building the team up around Lauri and Kessler. Also your question was actually even answered in my 3rd one.

Only thing I object is the pick piling ideology, unless there is a plan other than "we use them to draft 18 rookies within next 7 years" (I counted 18 FRPs there).
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We don't need to have a plan with the picks right now. The only plan we need right now is figuring out what guys on our current roster may be keepers. Once you have that knowledge then you can start to come up with future ideas to build out the roster.
 
sip said:
You are being overly dramatic. Even if we trade Conley, Clarkson, Beasley and Olynyk we already have young players showing potential that we want to develop with those minutes. Also in most trades we are going to be taking back another guy or 2 plus a draft pick. Depending on the age and contract the players we take back may have a future here as well.
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You are probably correct about me being overdramatic. Wouldnt be the first time lol.

But you forgot Vando from that list. Trading all those 5 leaves us with only Sexton and maybe Ochai as plausible chips to trade with later on... and I dont like that.

Bring in 2nd draft guys or something that will build value with minutes or even potentially turn into keepers.

I'm glad our FO seems to be involved in more tradetalks that support my ideology though. Collins, Rui, Kennard and other at least decent players named... not just picks.
 
HermanG said:
You are probably correct about me being overdramatic. Wouldnt be the first time lol.

But you forgot Vando from that list. Trading all those 5 leaves us with only Sexton and maybe Ochai as plausible chips to trade with later on... and I dont like that.

Bring in 2nd draft guys or something that will build value with minutes or even potentially turn into keepers.

I'm glad our FO seems to be involved in more tradetalks that support my ideology though. Collins, Rui, Kennard and other at least decent players named... not just picks.
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I mean we literally can't just trade for picks... and we wouldn't trade every player... I don't think any team has executed a trade of like 7 players in 3-4 trades... even in the biggest fire sale.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean we literally can't just trade for picks... and we wouldn't trade every player... I don't think any team has executed a trade of like 7 players in 3-4 trades... even in the biggest fire sale.
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You know what I mean. Getting something more than salary fillers back.

Im not even targeting stars.. just guys with potential fit and upside.

Rui I'm not that familiar with and know he has had mental health issues but again as a player type could fit with Lauri and Kessler. Have to look up what Wiz fans think of him and check some tape.
 
HermanG said:
You know what I mean. Getting something more than salary fillers back.

Im not even targeting stars.. just guys with potential fit and upside.

Rui I'm not that familiar with and know he has had mental health issues but again as a player type could fit with Lauri and Kessler. Have to look up what Wiz fans think of him and check some tape.
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I prefer picks but I'd trade for good prospects too... I just kinda hate the idea of starting to box ourselves in with a John Collins trade... so that one has to come with draft capital or I'd be opposed (not violently opposed but opposed nonetheless).

I mentioned Duarte elsewhere but other guys I'd like would that I think could be available would be like Obi Toppin types. There aren't a lot. Rui isn't my cup of tea just because he's a bad defender and bad passer. He's a good scorer but I don't see him as having huge upside. I'd rather have Vando. Rui is also a FA. Honestly... I wouldn't trade NAW straight up for Rui.

I do think it is smart to cash in on Beasley/Vando now as they are at their apex of trade value because of how their contracts are structured. Whether that is for prospects or picks I don't care too much.
 
HermanG said:
You know what I mean. Getting something more than salary fillers back.

Im not even targeting stars.. just guys with potential fit and upside.

Rui I'm not that familiar with and know he has had mental health issues but again as a player type could fit with Lauri and Kessler. Have to look up what Wiz fans think of him and check some tape.
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fit with who though? half this roster will be somewhere else in 2 years bank on it.
I am not even sold the FInnisher will still be here the way Danny has flipped good players before.
 
I really disliked Rui in the draft and he hasnt done anything to really make me change my mind, but I don't keep close tabs on him. He'd be a nice bench player to have cuz he's big and he can really score, but I'm not sure what we would give up for him.
 
If the plan is to trade Vando, I get why the Jazz would have interest in Rui. He'd be a solid backup to Lauri. He probably gets frozen out in RFA and I doubt he gets a big offer from anyone, so you could potentially have him on a very fair deal for a young guy who can get buckets.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I really disliked Rui in the draft and he hasnt done anything to really make me change my mind, but I don't keep close tabs on him. He'd be a nice bench player to have cuz he's big and he can really score, but I'm not sure what we would give up for him.
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He's made himself an efficient scorer... like in the Rudy Gay role I'm good. I don't think I would expect a whole lot more and I think he's a guy that might struggle to defend in the playoffs.

Wiz are so mid... they gonna give Kuzma like 30M a year... just watch.
 
Jingled said:

View: https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1615813176813096967
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Its a big concern for us too... or should be.

I just think you make every big decision about the roster with Lauri and Walker in mind... I don't think Collins is the guy you'd bring in if you thought "what do we need to put around these two guys?". If it comes with some draft compensation then I get it. If this is the offers they are getting then it should come with some draft compensation.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
He's made himself an efficient scorer... like in the Rudy Gay role I'm good. I don't think I would expect a whole lot more and I think he's a guy that might struggle to defend in the playoffs.

Wiz are so mid... they gonna give Kuzma like 30M a year... just watch.
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They in the worst kind of purgatory, late lotto purgatory where you perpetually draft mid or bust.
 
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