Trey Burke: Sink or Swim?
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I am by no means a Burke supporter; however, I keep hearing that he is slow. Seriously, he's not super quick like Curry, Lillard, or Lawson, but he's not really slow either. Probably just average or a little below average for a point guard in the NBA.
Yeah but an undersized poor shooter needs to make up for that somewhere. Being average speed is a very bad thing for a guy like Burke.
This. he may not be "slow" but is not fast enough to make up for his size and length problems. Craftiness (such as that new hesitation move) will help but will only do so much.
I like Burke and wouldn't mind seeing how it plays out here, but I'm more curious to know what our pick+him would be worth on the market. I'd rather acquire a 3/D guy somehow and allocate Burke's minutes to other perimeter players. We would see if letting ballhandling wings taking his duties and minutes works or not, and if doesn't, maybe we'll get a chance to see how Cotton and/or Neto works out.
I guess what I'm saying is I like Burke and I can see him grow since his position is one that requires the most growth, but he seems expendable from what I can see in this context.
I guess what I'm saying is I like Burke and I can see him grow since his position is one that requires the most growth, but he seems expendable from what I can see in this context.
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Red
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At the presser, Lindsey mentioned Exum, Burke, and Cotton when talking about next years point guards. If that turns out to be the case, just let the chips fall where they may. Competition is the best determinant. Let Burke and Cotton decide based on their play. One of them will earn the role of backup. Because if Quin Snyder thinks Cotton will help the team more then Burke at backup, then that's the way it will go. And if he decides Burke is helping the team more, then that's the way it will go. The sample size for Cotton has been very small. If he's here next year, his worth to the team will become apparent in time. And Snyder will know what that value is and use it accordingly. Or not. Depending on just who Bryce Cotton really is. Competition is the best determinant. Burke can rise to the challenge, or Cotton can earn a job as backup pg for the Jazz.
I don't think he's a big priority either way. Keep him or don't. He's not well suited to switch defensively, which I think is what Quin wants to do. If you look at the Warriors' back-up guards, it's not a coincidence that both Shaun Livingston and Leandro Barbosa are long defenders.
At this point I'd be happy with a 40/35 line.
gregbroncs
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This year to start the year he was being asked to play defense and run the offense. Pass the ball within the offense, run the PNR and make open jumpers. So I have a hard time with the statement he was being asked to do too much. I don't buy it. I just don't think he fits the system our starters run. And next year our whole team should be running it. The one guy on this team most guilty of not running the offense was Trey Burke.
I could not have said it better myself. I am still holding out hope for the kid but my patience is wearing thin.
bjacksonjazzfan
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Trey's part of the short-term future. Let's leave it at that.
da ThRONe
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Shooting is the one skill you most consistently see players get better at. The next skill is defense.
This game more than anything is about working hard. Trey has more than enough talent. He'll get stronger, shoot 1000's of jumpers a day, gain better endurance to play both ends, become a more crafty ball handler. This is the year you expect a big jump. If it's a matter of work making that jump I'm betting on Burke.
The one thing I do agree with that most detractors of Trey is that this team and system doesn't necessarily fit Burke's greatest strengths.
gregbroncs
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What are Burke's greatest strengths? Serious question. He's not a terrible player but I can't think of a single thing he does at an above average level. Defense? nope, Passing? nah, Shooting? Not that either, how about running the offense? Only if the offense is get Burke a contested shot. I just don't see any skill Burke has that is likely to ever be better than average. And he'd have to improve to get to average in most if not all of those.
Thanks! Glad to be here!
I'm gonna have to step in here I think.
Trey dribbles pretty well. He does that at least at an above average level.
da ThRONe
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Well then there's really nothing to talk about. If you don't see anything Burke does then me telling you won't impact your opinion at all.
yamers
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He has to learn to shoot.
shooting at a .368 clip is pretty atrocious. Especially because he lacks defense. I think Burke has some potential upside on offense still. He's going to have to get much better.
I still think hes a backup PG at this point. We will see what happens.
shooting at a .368 clip is pretty atrocious. Especially because he lacks defense. I think Burke has some potential upside on offense still. He's going to have to get much better.
I still think hes a backup PG at this point. We will see what happens.
I think you're wrong. If you could actually make a case for something Burke does considerably better than your average NBA point guard it would certainly change my opinion.