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Siro said:
This"Corbin's pick" **** is so ****ing absurd.
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Why?

It was well known, and publicly stated, that DL was under KOC for the start of his tenure. It culminated in the 2013 draft with Trey Burke. Corbin and KOC heavily influenced that pick. Again something that was publicly stated at the time. I think it was stated as DL didn't want Burke. I barely put 2013 on DL at all. Anything 2014 and later is all on DL.
 
Stoked said:
Why?

It was well known, and publicly stated, that DL was under KOC for the start of his tenure. It culminated in the 2013 draft with Trey Burke. Corbin and KOC heavily influenced that pick. I barely put 2013 on DL at all. Anything 2014 and later is all on DL.
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Management threw Corbin a bone due to the popularity of the pick and Corbin's unpopularity. It was still the GM who made the decision and executed the trade to get Burke.
 
Siro said:
Management threw Corbin a bone due to the popularity of the pick and Corbin's unpopularity. It was still the GM who made the decision and executed the trade to get Burke.
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My understanding has always been that DL was limited as GM until the summer of 2013 when KOC stepped back.

But whatever. It's over with and Burke is gone.
 
Stoked said:
My understanding has always been that DL was limited as GM until the summer of 2013 when KOC stepped back.

But whatever. It's over with and Burke is gone.
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I don't know why they'd hire a GM and not let him make GM decisions. Burke was seen as the top PG in that draft, and the Jazz desperately needed a PG. So of course "Corbin wanted Burke". Nonetheless, DL signed off on it, and most of us were really excited. Things didn't work out. Had they worked out, we would be counting Burke among DL's success stories, regardless of the couple of lines thrown about Corbin helping make that decision.
 
I wish a writer or insider would write the inside story on the Burke pick.

I heard Lindsey say it was Corbin who wanted Trey Burke...and I also noticed Lindsey never said Trey was his guy.

But I don't know if that was Lindsey trying to garner support for his embattled coach, or lay responsibility where it was due.

If Lindsey felt strongly opposed to Trey he could have just fouled up the trade arrangements with Minnysoda. But he was new to his job, and may have felt like he needed to impress the bosses, or make an impact for the fans since the Corbin, Haynerd and Favors projects were lagging.

I have also considered that Lindsey's opinion against Trey fell on the deaf ears of Randy Rigby, the Jazz president at the time, who saw Trey Burke as a marketing opportunity. If you recall the Jazz had Trey Burke jerseys printed with #3 a couple of days after the draft despite #3 belonging to DeMarre Carroll. The Jazz had to back-track and say it was a mistake, then put the Jerseys away for a couple of weeks.

In any event the crash and burn of trey set everything back. If you live life looking backwards that draft hurt.

The positives that came from it was I believe Lindsey validated his views on draft preparation, and gave him more power in the organization.

It also showed the fans Lindsey was not going to just sit back and see what came his way, he had the ability to go get a player he wanted.
 
Siro said:
I don't know why they'd hire a GM and not let him make GM decisions. Burke was seen as the top PG in that draft, and the Jazz desperately needed a PG. So of course "Corbin wanted Burke". Nonetheless, DL signed off on it, and most of us were really excited. Things didn't work out. Had they worked out, we would be counting Burke among DL's success stories, regardless of the couple of lines thrown about Corbin helping make that decision.
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Not really. I'd give most of that credit to Corbin.

But it didn't so whatever.
 
Quin's Murderface said:
If one is being intellectually honest, one should probably include that this was in reply to a fan saying that Trey wasn't talented. He was obviously feeling attacked and was lashing out. I actually feel bad for Trey. He's at a point in his life that is hard for anyone to deal with. You aren't good enough to be what you always dreamed, and now you have to accept some lesser version of your life. It hits almost everyone (probably everyone) at some point or another.

No hard feelings from me. I just see it as immaturity on his part. Kind of like this post haha.
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Pretty sure Trey searched his name that tweet was not sent to him.

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Jack Strop said:
Yep. Hayward was gone the minute Stevens became a head coach. Gordon would have gone to ANY team Brad coached, even of they had finished with the worst record last season. The dude loves Brad. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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Eh I think a 27 year old who's so hell bent on revisiting his college glory days shows a certain level of immaturity. It seems a somewhat unnatural fixation that he's willing to drastically alter his career to follow this "unfinished business" course. Professional sports doesn't really cater to boyhood fantasies very often, I think there's every chance what he's left here will be the real unfinished business.

What I'm really try to say is **** him and his weird fixation with Brad ****ing Stevens
 
Jack Strop said:
Yep. Hayward was gone the minute Stevens became a head coach. Gordon would have gone to ANY team Brad coached, even of they had finished with the worst record last season. The dude loves Brad. And there's nothing wrong with that.
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The only thing very wrong with that is leading us on in every way which puts us in a real bad spot. There are a number of good options that would have been good for us had Gordy been up front. Real lack of maturity and lack of integrity.
 
Siro said:
I don't know why they'd hire a GM and not let him make GM decisions. Burke was seen as the top PG in that draft, and the Jazz desperately needed a PG. So of course "Corbin wanted Burke". Nonetheless, DL signed off on it, and most of us were really excited. Things didn't work out. Had they worked out, we would be counting Burke among DL's success stories, regardless of the couple of lines thrown about Corbin helping make that decision.
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I always heard that in the past years drafting the jazz would get the coach (jerry), assistant coach (johnson), owner (larry), gm (koc) all together and everyone would weigh in on who to pick. Kind of by committee.
I have heard that koc wanted to draft cp3 but jerry Sloan was adamant about drafting deron and koc was kinda outnumbered. So they went with deron.

I don't think it's a stretch to think that a new employee still being trained in his new job by the former gm could have wanted to do one thing but in meetings the coach and the old gm and maybe even the owner wanted to do something else and so lindsey reluctantly signed off on it.

Jazz sometimes do things differently than other teams I think.
 
DL always tells a story about why a guy was picked, and it usually includes whoever pined for him the hardest.

DL is the person who makes the final decision and wouldn't draft anyone just because a coach everyone knew was in his last year asked for him.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
DL always tells a story about why a guy was picked, and it usually includes whoever pined for him the hardest.

DL is the person who makes the final decision and wouldn't draft anyone just because a coach everyone knew was in his last year asked for him.

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They have explained in the past that their committee gets together, gives input, and they decide. Maybe he does have more of a vote than others, but it sounded like ownership and others had input to give at the time. If the bulk of the people want something and it's your first year you may give in more than at a later time to make sure you keep the working relationships good. Feel free to blame though, but I don't give full blame for this one. Generally whey people start a new job, there is a process where you all get used to each other. I will often times leave things alone and see how it has been done before making changes that I want to make. I have seen a lot of stupid things happen when people get a new position and instantly make wholesale changes so it is theirs, so to speak. First understand, then change. Also, it's important that those you work with know you will listen to them and at least give their opinions and wants some weight.

It's not as simple as, he's in charge. All him. It is, but it isn't... if that makes sense.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
They have explained in the past that their committee gets together, gives input, and they decide. Maybe he does have more of a vote than others, but it sounded like ownership and others had input to give at the time. If the bulk of the people want something and it's your first year you may give in more than at a later time to make sure you keep the working relationships good. Feel free to blame though, but I don't give full blame for this one. Generally whey people start a new job, there is a process where you all get used to each other. I will often times leave things alone and see how it has been done before making changes that I want to make. I have seen a lot of stupid things happen when people get a new position and instantly make wholesale changes so it is theirs, so to speak. First understand, then change. Also, it's important that those you work with know you will listen to them and at least give their opinions and wants some weight.

It's not as simple as, he's in charge. All him. It is, but it isn't... if that makes sense.
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Exactly
 
He could be right. I mean, nobody wants Trey Burke to play for them so he can probably recognize the phenomenon.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
DL always tells a story about why a guy was picked, and it usually includes whoever pined for him the hardest.

DL is the person who makes the final decision and wouldn't draft anyone just because a coach everyone knew was in his last year asked for him.

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This. For whatever reason, DL is the golden boy around here and we will twist the story however we can to protect him.

It's fascinating to watch.
 
DownUnder said:
Eh I think a 27 year old who's so hell bent on revisiting his college glory days shows a certain level of immaturity. It seems a somewhat unnatural fixation that he's willing to drastically alter his career to follow this "unfinished business" course. Professional sports doesn't really cater to boyhood fantasies very often, I think there's every chance what he's left here will be the real unfinished business.

What I'm really try to say is **** him and his weird fixation with Brad ****ing Stevens
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I agree... He is so fond of his time a Butler, and college is fantastic so I get it. It just seems strange to me that he makes it to the NBA and he is fantasizing about his Butler days. I mean time heals all wounds and we reminisce about the past and things always seem better than they were. I can't help but think that in 3 years Hayward will feel so fondly about Utah and his time with the Jazz, and he was never "present". He was thinking about Butler while he was with the Jazz, with the Celtics he will be thinking fondly about the Jazz, when he's retired he will be thinking fondly about the NBA, never enjoying the present.
 
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