Hotdog
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How do you get duped once about the polls and how Trump is doing(election polls), then jump right back in and get duped again(approval rating polls) LoL Wtf. Seriously.
Trump call CNN fake news at press conference. Denies question. Hilarious!
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How do you get duped once about the polls and how Trump is doing(election polls), then jump right back in and get duped again(approval rating polls) LoL Wtf. Seriously.
I don't watch any fake news. I also don't read any left news organizations. So there goes that theory. Personality aside, I dislike Trump because of his stated policies. I also dislike his personality but that is a very small part of why I don't want him to be president.
I didn't get duped by the polls now or before. Most polls are fairly accurate, at least the ones done by reputable groups. The election results fell within the standard deviation of the polls. Sorry you don't understand them or trust good information.
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Hotdog
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Its so weird how reality conflicts with the main stream media agenda.
Jim Brown meets with Trump and says he fell in love with him. Isnt that weird? Trump is supposed to be a racist right? How would Jim Brown come away with a much different impression of him than how he is portrayed?
[video=youtube_share;BQ2PK_t_hPk]https://youtu.be/BQ2PK_t_hPk
This isn't the only case either. There are many leaders of the African American community that he is winning over. People with open minds are finding out he is the real deal who wants to actually help minority communities. But you won't hear that from places like CNN. They just want to continue to fan the flames of division. Its embarrassing for anyone who buys into that garbage. You can tell from that video they can't stand what Jim Brown is saying.
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Jim brown is where we should get all our news from tbh
Hotdog
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Does Jim Brown have his own news station that I am unaware of?
Maybe if I met him in private I might like him more. Right now all I go off of is his personality in interviews, press conferences, debates, twitter account and his tv shows. In all of those forums his personality is awful to me. If he has a more delightful private personality and just keeps up his public personality for some reason that makes me like him less. I dont really like people who have a fake public personality.
It does seem odd that you would want us to go off of other peoples opinions when I can form my own opinion when he is in the public spotlight quite a bit. I am also guessing he talked very different when he met with Jim Brown, Kanye and that group than he normally does. Obviously that session was about trying to get them to endorse him, he was definitely sucking up to them, just normal politician stuff. That is not a knock on Trump either, candidates seeking approval from special interest groups spend time buttering up leaders. That is a good chunk of their job.
His personality and my dislike for it has nothing to do with how the media portrays him. We get plenty of chances to watch him without any news group altering his speeches or talk. I also read his twitter, which is straight from the horses mouth... or more likely ***...
None of that really matters that much to me. I dislike almost all of his policies. I have from the beginning and unless he changes drastically will for the next 4-8 years until he is not president. Of all the candidates in the last 10 years I differ the most with his policies.
Hotdog
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I really believe that he is going to prove a lot of people wrong. There is of course a chance that I'm wrong, but my gut feeling says he does better than people expect. In fact much better. I firmly believe that we have been ran by corporate politicians who are corrupt for some time now, and he isnt one of them. Yes, he has many flaws. He doesn't always use the greatest choice of words. But I beleive he sincerely wants to do a great job. I don't think we will see a guy who is on vacation all the time. I bet he works his *** off every day he is in office. He just comes off as that guy to me.
That scenario is a losing situation for me. If he is "successful" then there will be a lot of policies that I dont like in place.
I dont doubt he wants to do a great job. I have never questioned that. I think he is very egotistical and wants to become the greatest president. I would not describe him as a "hard worker" so far, based on the amount of meetings he has skipped so far.
As far as corruption goes he does not have a great record on that either. Based on his business practices he seems pretty corrupt person but I guess we will see how he does in office. Although his cabinet picks are not pointing towards "draining the swamp" or being non corrupt.
Hotdog
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Lets say Trump does some pretty impressive and helpful things for the black communities. Lets say that what he does for the black communities is considered better than what any president has ever done before. He helps lift those communities up better than anyone before. I don't know what that could be. But what if after 8 years the consensus is that he did a wonderful job in that area, but at the same time was strict on immigration laws through out that time. Would he be conisidered a success in your eyes? Would he still be considered a racist,and bad president?
I don't think I have called him a racist. I also don't care what the consensus is, it depends on what he does. But if he did something successful I would call it a success. If he has a lot more successful things then negative things I would call him a successful president when he is done.
Well maybe I should quote both your posts.
First of all, thank you for your response. It is pretty solid, standard stuff. I understand that most people who have any positive views about the UN don't see it as the threat some ultra constitutional loyalists do. Most people agree with you here. Hardly anyone really thinks it's either powerful or righteous. But a practical tool for managing things like trade, international disputes, whatever. I was pleased some twenty years ago when the WTO did some justice to the company I worked for and imposed a tariff on Chinese competitors who had government funding and perks to float them while doing a classic price war designed to put us out of business.
I also have a brother who served as a monitor for compliance on the Nuclear Treaty with Russia, and spent some years in Russia and the Ukraine. I never asked who was paying him, the UN or the United States.
I think you do a nice tap dance around the language I was quoting from the UN Declaration on Human Rights, but you did not find any assertion in that that human beings have innate or intrinsic rights not derived from government. I hope the justices on the World Court will see it the way you do, and maybe they will. It depends on the level of humanity and integrity those judges will hold. I'm not counting on anything.
Reagan said "Trust but Verify". I say "Verify, then Trust if you can afford it." I don't think we do that good putting any business in the hands of government. In politics, my motto is "Throw the Bums Out, and then prepare to throw the next bums out too."
I want a reformed UN. Either fix it or dump it. It has to have absolute statements referring to the necessity for all governments and all forms of governance to be elected by the people, accountable to the people, and honoring the power of people to reject what they find intolerable and replace it.
Sure there's a lot of good we can do with educated leadership and international cooperation. Most of the UN organizations are self-described as serving some good purpose, but the UN should embrace the basic principles of the US founding fathers and should be designed to have checks and balances and limits. We have never done so very well at following our Constitution, or we would not have done the Trail of Tears or the wars of extermination against the Indians, or put them on reservations where their populations dwindled. Yah, and slavery was never consistent with the principles of human rights either. And today we would tenaciously prosecute human trafficking and the clientele who go the tropical resorts that openly serve up child sex slaves.... you know, that certain percentage of the UN officials who get outta town to attend some world summit somewhere. I bet you've never been to one of those events, and if you did you probably remained unaware of the wild side of those events. Wish I could say I didn't know what I'm talking about. Yesterday I heard Tim Ballard speak, and saw some of his videos. I have seen things like that myself, but I was alone and had no way to do anything.
If the people who run the UN were moral people, perhaps we could place some confidence in the organization, which is where I go with saying perhaps you lack "street". But then again, considering, you'd do a lot better to just listen to someone who's "been there".
We had a little discussion a while back, I think I said something about the nature of Trump's support among working folks like Truckers and the employees who unload the trucks, and stock the shelves, and such. Practical people who just want a better economy, the health care packages they had before Obamacare made it cost 4X for half the care, and less regulation so they can start their own business someday, and get their own house. I think a lot of people voted for Trump who in other years either just don't vote or are soft democrats. Trump is not ideological enough to go after "Constitutional Principles" or socialism, he's just practical and will try to make things work better according to his sense of what that means. Conservatives will be as disappointed as Liberals will be unexpectedly pleased, and I bet he will win a second term. Well, I think the hard-core traditional Press is shooting itself in the foot, and losing credibility, so I don't think the Press can do him in. I just hope no one does. Just because he is his own man.
I know some folks like "established" authority, and consider it prudent to go with what is known, say, like a Romney sort of leader or "The Way Things Are". Lots of investments have been placed on that bet.
Seeing a leader who can clearly act independently, who can say what he thinks however stupid it may be, or outrageous, somehow just warms up a lot of folks, marginally hopeful but barely getting by, who would like to be that free themselves. Nope we did not elect Trump to be our Chief Saint. We really don't care to have one of those. We just want someone who can change things up and give us a fresh start on having a country, and affordable health care, and a job.
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DutchJazzer
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are those the same posters who predicted trump would not win?
lol public approval **** are just fake news. ever heard of invisible dad theory?
DutchJazzer
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EXACTLY, the stupid sheeple never learn
DutchJazzer
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for those who are mad at trump for calling cnn fake news.
are you also mad obummer is implying fox is fake news?
his qoute:
are you also mad obummer is implying fox is fake news?
his qoute:
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The Thriller
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Could you imagine what would've happened to obama if he had acted that same way to a Fox News reporter? He would've been lynched!
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Hotdog
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Lol
Do you live under a really big rock that has another really big rock on top of that rock?
Hotdog
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Pretty much sums up all that the Democrats say these days. I dont think I have seen so many people be so hypocritical and stupid all at the same time. Its ****ing crazy times we are living in.