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Trump Threatens Nuclear War
- Thread starter Zombie
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Endorsing Kim Un Hung launchin a missile over Japan? Pathetic.
Nuke these mo fos arready. Hell, let Japan pull the trigger! I ****in ronic
It is starting to seem like military conflict may actually happen. I can only hope China and Russia have people inside NK that would prefer to overthrow Un than be devastated by war. As much as NK and SK are at odds, I hope that neither side wants to kill millions of Koreans in a potential conflict.
My greatest fear of the Trump administration seems like it may happen, Trump using the U.S. military to show how big his junk is.
If I could offer a compromise to NK I'd say that if they can remove Un we'll remove Trump. No one else needs to die.
My greatest fear of the Trump administration seems like it may happen, Trump using the U.S. military to show how big his junk is.
If I could offer a compromise to NK I'd say that if they can remove Un we'll remove Trump. No one else needs to die.
candrew
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I can tell you what it will look like - about 10-15 million starving North Koreans with little or no discernible 21st Century skills will come flooding over the SK and Chinese borders.
No amount of back channel negotiations will make that an acceptable scenario to either country.
The reality is this - NK has the bomb. Either we blow them up or accept them (somewhat) into the fold of nuclear nations. We've tried the middle ground now for over 25 years and both sides have failed miserably.
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I hate to see us engage in yet another war, but it might be time to just topple Un and the whole regime there and force the integration with South Korea to clean up this mess. The guy is a loose canon and I think he is unpredictable enough that a nuclear strike out of the blue is not out of the question with this guy.
Hell na mate. Sweat Shops. Tell China there industry can have first opportunity for a year if they kin ally.
♪alt13
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"I recently conducted a quantitative assessment of the economic impacts of unification on North and South Korea under several hypothetical scenarios, assuming North Korea’s sudden collapse. As it turns out, a peacefully managed unification process, characterized by comprehensive economic reform and opening-up, could enable North Korea to achieve sustained double-digit GDP growth, despite a sharp slowdown immediately following the collapse...
As for South Korea, with sufficient preparation, effective policies, and more financial resources, it can manage a peaceful reunification and mitigate the adverse effects of the shock."
http://economia.icaew.com/en/opinion/august-2017/planning-for-korean-reunification
The regime has been propped up for decades by China and Russia. What do they want more; a criminal dictator with Nukes on their border who can be a thorn in our side(increasingly theirs as well, A withdrawal of US troops from the Korean Peninsula?
I think that if the US and SK put that(A US withdrawal following Korean reunification) on the table as an option at any future date then China and Russia would be much more willing to put more pressure on Kim's nuclear program and much less concerned about the potential collapse of the regime. Their worst case scenario is a unified Korea that extends US strategic superiority. We can not only remove that fear but offer them a little more breathing room in that eventuality.
We don't need to plan for how to make the regime collapse but if we can come to a clear and aceptable understanding with China and Russia about what we will do if it were to happen we will likely open up more options.
With Kim's patrons on the security Council becoming increasingly less interested in supporting him Kim's desire for self preservation may make him change course.
Kim does not need a nuke for the sake of a deterrent. As has been pointed out time and again his conventional arsenal and standing army is more than enough deterrent. His Nukes are for the purpose of having an offensive posture. Their purpose is to threaten his neighbors and the US in order to get what he wants. That's a dangerous posture that will only escalate. We can't invite him to the big boy table simply because he is agressive and dangerous.
Darkwing Duck
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His surname is Kim. Saying "Un" is like referring to Trump as "Ald," which I would find amusing and encourage you to do so.
The Thriller
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Are some of you seriously considering a preemptive strike on NK? Seriously?! And what becomes of Seoul? How many millions dead is an acceptable number?
Who's paying for that rebuild; both of Seoul and NK? America and its $20 trillion of debt? Cool! How many of you are down with seeing your taxes double to pay for that?
Who's going to bring this brainwashed millions into the 21st century? What's preventing it from becoming an uncontrolled safe haven for drugs and terrorism? Who's going to secure every single nuke? Will you sign up for the armed forces? Or are we gonna go to us to do this "talk big on the internet but then watch the war from Fox News" thing?
Why would Russia or China want this? Putin loves the Kim disruption. He'd love to see us become entangled in another Korean quagmire.
And what happens to the Middle East? I'm not sure we can maintain attacks on Isis and the Taliban while waging a major war and rebuild on the Korean Peninsula.
As bad of a dude as Kim is, war just simply isn't a realistic option right now. And hasn't been for decades. That's why it's remained the way it has since 1953. It wasn't worth millions in casualties and potential nuclear war in the 50s. It's still not worth that today.
Who's paying for that rebuild; both of Seoul and NK? America and its $20 trillion of debt? Cool! How many of you are down with seeing your taxes double to pay for that?
Who's going to bring this brainwashed millions into the 21st century? What's preventing it from becoming an uncontrolled safe haven for drugs and terrorism? Who's going to secure every single nuke? Will you sign up for the armed forces? Or are we gonna go to us to do this "talk big on the internet but then watch the war from Fox News" thing?
Why would Russia or China want this? Putin loves the Kim disruption. He'd love to see us become entangled in another Korean quagmire.
And what happens to the Middle East? I'm not sure we can maintain attacks on Isis and the Taliban while waging a major war and rebuild on the Korean Peninsula.
As bad of a dude as Kim is, war just simply isn't a realistic option right now. And hasn't been for decades. That's why it's remained the way it has since 1953. It wasn't worth millions in casualties and potential nuclear war in the 50s. It's still not worth that today.
The Thriller
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South Korea won't have an economy, government, or policies if war is initiated on Korean Peninsula. You should probably look Seoul up on a map and trace with your finger how close it is to the North Korean border.
Does Utah still teach basic geography anymore in middle school? It seems sorely needed.
DutchJazzer
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when it comes to nation building, intergrating north korea with south korea will probably be a asucces.
seeing as same thing happened in germany as you may know
seeing as it is exact same situation, after the war germany got split in 2parts a communistic ****hole and a fast growing successful capitalist part! nobody being allowed to leave the communist ****hole a wall build to keep people in!
after the wall came down, the integration did have some hickups and such. but 10-20-30 years later seems it worked pretty well!
nation building wont work in islamic ****holes like, iraq, lybia, iran, afghanistan and syria. those should be bombed into submission when they become a threat after the bombing leave em alone and if they raise up again, rinse repeat. until those people evolve and become rational human beings!
DutchJazzer
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who the **** cares about pronouncing that guys name correctly! he can shove it!
That's the part of his name that is different than his dad and grandpa's.
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Darkwing Duck
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Kim Il Sung is his grandfather's name.
Darkwing Duck
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Would probably carry over into non bad people.
So do they have the same concept of first names as we do or not? Is it (using our naming coventions) last name, first name, middle name?
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Darkwing Duck
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It's just Surname followed by given name. 95% are two syllable given names. Probably taught somewhere around 500 students when I worked there and I saw I think one given name with one syllable and maybe a half dozen with three. All Korean surnames are one syllable and about 35% of South Korea is 김, 이, or 박, which generally get translated into Kim, Lee, and Park.
Interesting to see the mention of economic feasibility. That was a big concern when I was living there. North Korea is twice the size of South Korea, so relief would spread over a larger area, though fewer people live there.
EDIT: I originally typed 40% and thought I was stretching it. Looked at Wikipedia and census says it's actually 44.6%, so I was conservative and didn't even know it.