TSQ: Rudy/Fav - The Top 25 Big Men 25 And Under

[Miggs]

Since Schröder was brought up, here were his per 36 stats last year. Yes, I know most of his time is played against back-ups. In his defense, he did start 10 games too and when he didn't, he played with back-ups.

18.2 ppg, 42.7 FG%, 35.1 3pt%, 82.7 FT%, 51.6 TS%, 7.5 assists, 3.9 rebounds, 1.2 steals.

This kid is barely 21 and has adapted really quickly to the NBA game. He could be a scary two-way player.

 

[karl malone]

There aren't many players in the NBA that I'd rather build a team around for the next 5-10 years than Gobert due to his defensive ability & work ethic. While Gobert & Favors may not be completely compatible due to shooting range/offensive limitations, the defense provided by them more than makes up for that. As long as they are provided enough offense/shooting from the other positions in the starting lineup/rotation, Favors & Gobert (+ Lyles/Pleiss) is already a championship caliber frontcourt that also has the chance to be not just one of the best frontcourts in the league, but possibly one of the best frontcourts (at least defensively) of all-time.

 

[Stoked]

I think people are going to be as excitedly surprised by the Jazz this year as they were the 2nd half of last season.

Gobert, Exum, Hood and Burks have something to prove. All 4 will see dramatic improvement.

 

[Growlor]

I think people are going to be as excitedly surprised by the Jazz this year as they were the 2nd half of last season.

Gobert, Exum, Hood and Burks have something to prove. All 4 will see dramatic improvement.

I hope we are not surprised.
The end of the year was such a strong finish that we fans totally drank the Kool-Aid. I am afraid that our expectations are very high and that the only way we will be truly surprised is if the season starts poorly. Hopefully we haven't bought in to the hype so much we are all disappointed with a modest step forward.

 

[fishonjazz]

I hope we are not surprised.
The end of the year was such a strong finish that we fans totally drank the Kool-Aid. I am afraid that our expectations are very high and that the only way we will be truly surprised is if the season starts poorly. Hopefully we haven't bought in to the hype so much we are all disappointed with a modest step forward.

I will be ok with .500 ball for the season (41 wins).
But I definitely have much higher expectations. (I think they should win between 46 and 50 games)

Less than 41 wins and I'm sad

 

[Miggs]

I will be ok with .500 ball for the season (41 wins).
But I definitely have much higher expectations. (I think they should win between 46 and 50 games)

Less than 41 wins and I'm sad

Last year we had 38 wins and that's with a brutal start and first half thanks to many things like youth, a new coach and system, injuries and Kanter. That is also despite the fact that we lost a game or two at the buzzer in the last couple months (i.e., Boston).

Add in Burks return: 2 wins for depth
Add in Hood for a whole season: 2 wins for depth
Add in improvement from Exum: 2 wins
Add in Gobert starting for a whole year (and no more Kanter): 2 wins
Add in organic improvement from Hayward, Favors, and Burke: 4 wins
Can't sneak up on teams as much: 2 losses

We go 47-35.

 

[fishonjazz]

Last year we had 38 wins and that's with a brutal start and first half thanks to many things like youth, a new coach and system, injuries and Kanter. That is also despite the fact that we lost a game or two at the buzzer in the last couple months (i.e., Boston).

Add in Burks return: 2 wins for depth
Add in Hood for a whole season: 2 wins for depth
Add in improvement from Exum: 2 wins
Add in Gobert starting for a whole year (and no more Kanter): 2 wins
Add in organic improvement from Hayward, Favors, and Burke: 4 wins
Can't sneak up on teams as much: 2 losses

We go 47-35.

47-35 falls right in line with my prediction of 46-50 wins. (And my original prediction window was even tighter.... 46-48 wins)

I think you nailed it.

Can't wait to make my $500 over/under bet in Vegas this October.

 

[RandyForRubio]

I think expecting Hood for the whole season is being optimistic tbh.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think expecting Hood for the whole season is being optimistic tbh.

Maybe.
Was he injured allot in college too? (Sincere question.... I have no idea

 

[RandyForRubio]

Maybe.
Was he injured allot in college too? (Sincere question.... I have no idea

Not that I recall.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not that I recall.

He did get hurt this past summer though right? (Shoulder)

I really hope that last this year and this summer are flukes

 

[Stoked]

I think expecting Hood for the whole season is being optimistic tbh.

Maybe.
Was he injured allot in college too? (Sincere question.... I have no idea

Not that I recall.

So the fluke then is last year. This summer league he was held out because he was dominating the SL and they decided to just let him rest. He is even on record as saying that if it was the regular season he never would have been help out or even mentioned as resting his shoulder.

His injuries during his rookie year are not ones I am concerned about as reocurring. I am not worried about his ability to play all season.

Hood and Burks are going to explode upon the SG position this year. That and the rise of Exum (based on his IQ, length, speed and work ethic) will make the Jazz back court very solid with tons of promise to be even better in the following season.

Then you turn to the front court of Gobert, Favors and Hayward. Enough said there.

This team is going to be amazing.

 

[fishonjazz]

So the fluke then is last year. This summer league he was held out because he was dominating the SL and they decided to just let him rest. He is even on record as saying that if it was the regular season he never would have been help out or even mentioned as resting his shoulder.

His injuries during his rookie year are not ones I am concerned about as reocurring. I am not worried about his ability to play all season.

Hood and Burks are going to explode upon the SG position this year. That and the rise of Exum (based on his IQ, length, speed and work ethic) will make the Jazz back court very solid with tons of promise to be even better in the following season.

Then you turn to the front court of Gobert, Favors and Hayward. Enough said there.

This team is going to be amazing.

The koolaid flavored cake is yummy as ****

 

[NAOS]

Last year we had 38 wins and that's with a brutal start and first half thanks to many things like youth, a new coach and system, injuries and Kanter. That is also despite the fact that we lost a game or two at the buzzer in the last couple months (i.e., Boston).

Add in Burks return: 2 wins for depth
Add in Hood for a whole season: 2 wins for depth
Add in improvement from Exum: 2 wins
Add in Gobert starting for a whole year (and no more Kanter): 2 wins
Add in organic improvement from Hayward, Favors, and Burke: 4 wins
Can't sneak up on teams as much: 2 losses

We go 47-35.

47 is my number right now, too. I may revise upward depending on schedule. I'm looking for which group of teams we play 4 times versus 3, and the overall difficulty of the first couple of months.

 

[Jazz and Utes]

@ 47 wins we won't make the playoffs

 

[NAOS]

@ 47 wins we won't make the playoffs

....which is why I was hoping we'd do something in Free Agency

 

[franklin]

Btw that 65% for Kanter at the rim is historically bad for a big. Meaning he is a generational talent at sucking at defense. He is the ultimate worst case scenario really. Good enough on offense to deceive you into thinking he is good for your team while really being a huge net-negative. HUGE net-negative. Good riddance, and if all we get out of it is a 7'3" backup big that has 1/100 of Kanters offensive game, but 1000x his defensive game, then we win that trade so epically OKC should resign. Meaning the whole franchise should quit in shame. This alone will keep Durant from ever winning there.

We could pull off the ultimate ****-you to OKC if we could get Durant to sign here when he is a free agent. Could you imagine Durant anchoring the team with Favors and Gobert protecting the paint? My nether-regions get all tingly.

Multiplying a zero or negative is still zero or worse.