Ty Corbin is...
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green
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This is getting ugly fast. This team is in serious trouble. The problem is, I was blasted before the season because I said I wouldn't mind a few losses if it meant developing the youngsters. The argument against me was, you can't risk turning the young guys into perennial losers. What is happening to this team is far worse. We are in danger of turning Favors and Kanter into Jefferson's. This dumpster fire is starting to get out of hand here.
The stupid thing is, the fix is easy. You can easily unload Bell. You can easily reduce Jefferson's minutes. You could get rid of Harris if you tried (ie, LA for nothing). Minnesota desperately needs a sg. So does the Clippers. CJ could go to either for a future second rounder. Millsap could be traded for a solid wing player yesterday. You need to save the young un's from this mess. The question is, is Greg willing to lose a couple of bucks for a bigger payday down the road? Is KOC willing to risk his job to win a title? I don't know.
The stupid thing is, the fix is easy. You can easily unload Bell. You can easily reduce Jefferson's minutes. You could get rid of Harris if you tried (ie, LA for nothing). Minnesota desperately needs a sg. So does the Clippers. CJ could go to either for a future second rounder. Millsap could be traded for a solid wing player yesterday. You need to save the young un's from this mess. The question is, is Greg willing to lose a couple of bucks for a bigger payday down the road? Is KOC willing to risk his job to win a title? I don't know.
NAOS
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The 15th can't get here soon enough.
Yes!!!
HipHopAnonymous
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I think Ty has done an ok job minus not playing Burks nearly enough.
squareinthecircle
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Crittercam and his non sequiturs of nature. Awesome.
candrew
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As someone said earlier, Corbin is a reactive coach. I think this addresses a big part of the problem that isn't going to go away.
The ability to think on your feet is based primarily on experience but there is also an inherent factor as well - either you have it or you don't. Corbin leaves me with the impression that he doesn't have it.
The ability to think on your feet is based primarily on experience but there is also an inherent factor as well - either you have it or you don't. Corbin leaves me with the impression that he doesn't have it.
Gyp Rosetti
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****ing amazing!
What on earth are you talking about (the Jerry part)???
The Thriller
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An offense designed to (only) get Al Jefferson the ball is a major FAIL imo.....
Corbin hasn't shown to be very competent. Isn't developing the young players, bad rotations, poor job of preparing and motivating his team to play on the road, lack of in-game adjustments, inability to exploit matchups, bad use of timeouts/end of game plays, and most of all a complete FAIL of an offensive system.
Even with Masked Mamba and Deron Williams on this team, this offense would still be fail. They'd stand around the 3 point line and feed the ball to Jefferson. Jefferson would then continue to shoot low percentages, never get to the FT line, and try and score against triple teams. Jazz would still be losing and the rest of the players would remain frustrated.
The lack of contributions we're receiving from Favors, Millsap, the PGs, and the wings is a direct result of a stagnant offense that isn't putting guys like Hayward in successful positions. In fact, other than Jefferson, who is having success in this offense? Burks stands out because HE DOESN'T RUN THE OFFENSE. He freelances, drives, gets to the hole and FT line. He makes something out of nothing. He's creating success DESPITE the offense not because of it.
This has NEVER been true of the Jazz offense. Typically, the Jazz offense made poor players look average and average players look very good. Instead, we're seeing an offensive system that is making our good and talented players, (Harris, Favors, Millsap, Hayward, etc) look worse than they really are.
The ONLY person who is looking half decent is Jefferson. Because the offense is (too) oriented towards him.
For example, take Hayward for example. Hayward's game isn't to stand out by the 3 point line and feed the ball inside ala Kyle Korver. His game is more of an AK style, slashing, coming off picks, and creating off the dribble.
It's Ty's job to put players like Hayward in successful positions. He hasn't. Hence, our offense for a better portion of 2 years has sucked. Ya can't blame the horrible offense all on the losses of Booz, Memo, and Deron.
Corbin hasn't shown to be very competent. Isn't developing the young players, bad rotations, poor job of preparing and motivating his team to play on the road, lack of in-game adjustments, inability to exploit matchups, bad use of timeouts/end of game plays, and most of all a complete FAIL of an offensive system.
Even with Masked Mamba and Deron Williams on this team, this offense would still be fail. They'd stand around the 3 point line and feed the ball to Jefferson. Jefferson would then continue to shoot low percentages, never get to the FT line, and try and score against triple teams. Jazz would still be losing and the rest of the players would remain frustrated.
The lack of contributions we're receiving from Favors, Millsap, the PGs, and the wings is a direct result of a stagnant offense that isn't putting guys like Hayward in successful positions. In fact, other than Jefferson, who is having success in this offense? Burks stands out because HE DOESN'T RUN THE OFFENSE. He freelances, drives, gets to the hole and FT line. He makes something out of nothing. He's creating success DESPITE the offense not because of it.
This has NEVER been true of the Jazz offense. Typically, the Jazz offense made poor players look average and average players look very good. Instead, we're seeing an offensive system that is making our good and talented players, (Harris, Favors, Millsap, Hayward, etc) look worse than they really are.
The ONLY person who is looking half decent is Jefferson. Because the offense is (too) oriented towards him.
For example, take Hayward for example. Hayward's game isn't to stand out by the 3 point line and feed the ball inside ala Kyle Korver. His game is more of an AK style, slashing, coming off picks, and creating off the dribble.
It's Ty's job to put players like Hayward in successful positions. He hasn't. Hence, our offense for a better portion of 2 years has sucked. Ya can't blame the horrible offense all on the losses of Booz, Memo, and Deron.
mellow
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Vague sarcastic reference to Jerry's retirment. According to some folks, namely Karl Malone, KOC sided with a player ahead of the coach. Isn't it clear that it is happening again? I expect Ty to "retire" within a week.
vslice02
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No offseason, Rockie Mountain Review, no training camp. - Agreed, I expected alot of hiccups along the way - particularly with offensive execution in our halfcourt sets. The disappointing part to me is over halfway through the season there's still no noticeable improvement in our execution and strategically I highly question Ty's insistence to feed the ball to Al on the left block down the stretch of every close game when we've seen that approach fail mulitple times. I also question his substitution patterns and playing time for our younger players - but we've beaten that horse to death several times already.
No backcourt.Devin Harris was a borderline all-star in NJ and excelled in situations where he was allowed to use his speed in the open court and driving down the lane. There's a reason Dallas traded him to get Jason Kidd. This was all out there, you knew exactly what Harris brought to the table and what he didn't. Same with Raja Bell - you saw what he did for you last season. There should be no suprises with veterans like Harris and Raja. Ultimately it's up to the coach to put players like them in the best position to succeed - whether that be on the court or on the bench.
No starting point guard. See my response to "No backcourt."
CJ Miles. Again, you should already know the type of player CJ is, physically and mentally. It is Ty's decision to not only play CJ 20 min a game, but give him the green light to handle the ball often with the shotclock winding down (often run a screen-roll from the wing which results in CJ's patented stepback jumper/clanker). If you leave dinner in the oven and ask your dog to keep an eye on it - you don't blame your dog when turns out burnt.
No loaded pieces teams like Golden State and Sacramento. I'm not even sure what this means, but prior to the season everyone would have put Utah's stock of young talent and trade chips up against both the Warriors and the Kings. You get a few of those guys playing beneath expectations and perhaps the outlook changes but again the coach is partially responsible for that.
With the lockout and the situation he was put in last year, Ty never has really gotten a fair shot when starting a season, and I fully expect him to be back next season. That said, there are alot of things - from substitutions, to offensive execution, to in-game adjustments, to late-game strategy and clock management, to evaluating our own strengths and weaknesses that have me concerned if he can be a successful head coach at this stage in his coaching career.
Ty defnitely isn't the sole reason behind everything that's wrong in Jazzland, but he's not an innocent bystander either.
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If the goal this season is to play "near .500" ball, then Corbin is doing great.
Exactly.
Jazz have been outscored 3919 to 3868 this season. If they shot a modest 34% from three, which is what they are allowing, then they would add another 60 points there alone. Total jumps to 3919 to 3928. Respectable 3 point shooting would open the inside and increase AJ, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter efficiency.
The extra 60 points alone is worth 5-6 more wins and we'd be screaming TY COY with a very respectable 25-15 record.