DutchJazzer
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I am just stating facts about Islamism!
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DutchJazzer
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the only reaosn jeruzalm is of any importance to islamism, is to show it dominates the jews!
sauce for the recent chruch turning into a mosque
https://www.omroepwest.nl/nieuws/3526326/Haagse-kerk-verandert-in-moskee
sadly it is in dutch!
so when they cannot outright buy holy places, they take it by force, demolish it and build a mosque! sad truth, nobody can dispute this!
sauce for the recent chruch turning into a mosque
https://www.omroepwest.nl/nieuws/3526326/Haagse-kerk-verandert-in-moskee
sadly it is in dutch!
so when they cannot outright buy holy places, they take it by force, demolish it and build a mosque! sad truth, nobody can dispute this!
♪alt13
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I have no idea what you are talking about.
My take? The government of Israel is responsible for this mess. It is within their power to pursue and achieve a lasting peace but that is not their goal. They want the whole of Israel and Palestine. They cannot attain that peacefully.
Less grandiose than I expected. But thanks none the less.
DutchJazzer
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do you all care for some more facts! I know i am biased but these facts can be researched.
NOWHERE IN THE KORAN is JERUSALEM, or temple mount(by any NAME mentioned. Jerusalem is never mentioned by Mohamed, Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran.
it is only mentioned 200 years later in 846 in the hadith of the suni islamist. the al asqa mosque was build 705!
which is revisionist history, so they could make a righteous claim on Jerusalem. Al asqa mosque is only mentioned once in the Quran, but no geographical location is mentioned anywhere in the qoran, which is weird, because at that time in temple mount/jerusalem there was no MOSQUE!! NONE WHATSOEVER! during the lifetime of mohamed there was not a single MOSQUE in jeruzalem! and they claim al asqa mosque is of religious significance because there mohamed went to go to heaven!
on the contrary
in the old testament it is mentioned over 655 times and 161 times as synonym zion. in the new testament 146 times as jeruzalem and 7 times as zion!
these are FACTS!
their is no religious significance to the islamist, other than showing domination over judaism and christianity!
here is the timeline
507 mohamed is born
koran was written in his time
632 mohamed leaps to heavens in "al asqa mosque"
636 islamist take over JERUZALEM
705 - al asqa mosque was build
846 The hadith are written, first religious text mentioning jeruzalem
do any of you see that unless mohamed had a time machine this is not possible!
THESE ARE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ask a islamist! read the quran, torah and bible. and look at scientific proof of carbon dating!
NOWHERE IN THE KORAN is JERUSALEM, or temple mount(by any NAME mentioned. Jerusalem is never mentioned by Mohamed, Jerusalem is never mentioned in the Quran.
it is only mentioned 200 years later in 846 in the hadith of the suni islamist. the al asqa mosque was build 705!
which is revisionist history, so they could make a righteous claim on Jerusalem. Al asqa mosque is only mentioned once in the Quran, but no geographical location is mentioned anywhere in the qoran, which is weird, because at that time in temple mount/jerusalem there was no MOSQUE!! NONE WHATSOEVER! during the lifetime of mohamed there was not a single MOSQUE in jeruzalem! and they claim al asqa mosque is of religious significance because there mohamed went to go to heaven!
on the contrary
in the old testament it is mentioned over 655 times and 161 times as synonym zion. in the new testament 146 times as jeruzalem and 7 times as zion!
these are FACTS!
their is no religious significance to the islamist, other than showing domination over judaism and christianity!
here is the timeline
507 mohamed is born
koran was written in his time
632 mohamed leaps to heavens in "al asqa mosque"
636 islamist take over JERUZALEM
705 - al asqa mosque was build
846 The hadith are written, first religious text mentioning jeruzalem
do any of you see that unless mohamed had a time machine this is not possible!
THESE ARE FACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ask a islamist! read the quran, torah and bible. and look at scientific proof of carbon dating!
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DutchJazzer
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NO i am waiting for facts why Jerusalem is so important to islamist!
anybody! come on, i will take every single fact of yours into consideration and research IT
anybody! come on, i will take every single fact of yours into consideration and research IT
makes the forum a better place in general.
Think its a terrible move by the way, for the region and the US, none of your major allies will follow suit.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Looked like the place was empty to me. If there had been people inside they would have come out when the guy was on the ground.
Reasonable = agreeing that the Jewish state has a right to exist. I realize that some people don't agree with that.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Doesn't look like anyone was inside to me. It's amazing how calm the cops were until one millisecond before they took the guy down.
DutchJazzer
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from what i heard in the dutch media is the owner was inside with his wife and kid. and certain jews, stay clear of the street in certain situations. after all self defense is outlawed. you could go outside as a jew and see how and what is happening and then get sucker punched by another one of these savages!
the best thing is to stay inside
dutch law is weird, a friend of mine who was a repo man and a kickboxing champion actually took a beating this one time without throwing a single punch, because he knew as a white dutch man the law would come down on him to the fulelst extend of the law.
non dutch people get benefit of doubts in court.(also happens in germany and other european countries) as judges cite culture shock and culture differences.
safest thing to do is stay inside
DutchJazzer
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cops in holland give you a lot of leeway! they are the friendliest i have met in my travels!
which is good when they deal with civilized western people
Moving the US embassy, or not moving the embassy, to Jerusalem has no bearing on whether you think Israel should exist. France came out against this move and they support Israel's right to exist.
But enough about the Jews and their plight. Not the point of my thread and I am not overly concerned on that issue all things considered. Such as their military might and the obvious backing by America.
The original point I hit on was how does this help the US and our goals in the ME. There has not been any attempt to answer that. It's a photo op move that in reality makes things more difficult for us.
So one last time, how does this help the US?
DutchJazzer
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it shows trump did not use false promises to get the otherdox jewish vote, like clinton bush and obama did!
make a promise, get elected, keep the promise!
isnt that what is supposed to happen. keep your word, your word is bond?
it ads to the rputation, if trump says to rocketman. their will be fire and fury. even if the world is against the decision he will do it!
Joe Bagadonuts
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I don't think Trump could ever gain the high ground when it comes to keeping his word. He often says contradictory things on the same day.
He lies and says grandiose things just for reaction far to often for his word to mean much.
So still nothing. No real reason.
For real though, anyone got an answer? Anyone, bueller, bueller...
Mr. Armchair General, did you listen to his speech about this? I thought it was very presidential and on point. Sometimes you simply have to change course and put your foot down. The old way clearly wasn't working so Trump is using a new approach.
Israel is a peaceful nation and welcoming of Muslims, Christians, and every other faith. They aren't going to demolish the mosque. The ME nations that you are calling on Trump to appease are often the opposite. Maybe it's time for your preference for appeasement to change a little bit.
So nothing other then "at least it is different".
Same response I gave Dutch, good for them but I don't care. About any of them in any real way. I asked how this helps the U.S. and you could not give me a reason. I genuinely wanted to know. And all I have gotten back is deflection to muslims and jews. How trump gave the speech is irrelevant. How does this help the U.S.? Period, that's it.
Thanks for nothing lol.
You've already said that you don't care about people in other countries.
I gave you a reason and you chose to ignore it. Another reason is that it's a step towards conflict resolution. The status quo isn't working and things need to move forward at some point. Another reason is that we have a diplomatic presence there for Palestinian relations (The US Consulate General in Jerusalem). Recognizing Palestine but not our strongest ally in the region makes no sense. This is also a show of strength and a statement that we back Israel's claim to Jerusalem. That's important, unless you're an appeaser.
Your sensationalized armchair tale of Arabs and Muslim nations all becoming irrational over this is not the self-evident fact you believe and portray. It's also degrading to those peoples and continues to deepen this condescending view that they will react irrationally. Saudi Arabia, for example since you mentioned them, is our ally and this embassy isn't coming close to changing that. They don't need to publicly kiss Israel's finger ring. The royal family isn't going to change their tone based on a symbolic embassy move. Arabs and Muslims are people too and they will think things through.
Key fact; this was my, and many others, argument for the ACA.