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stitches said:
Don't get me wrong - I wouldn't mind if he made it on the team, but people are acting like he'll be integral part of that team, some are suggesting he'd be our long-term back up, there were even some suggesting he should start. For me he's a 3d PG in the league and I wouldn't mind him being on the Jazz as 3d PG, but I also wouldn't be upset if he didn't make it.
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The 76's forum was wondering if we'll take a second rounder for Cotton. I think he can be a backup, personally. Not 3rd string. But, opinions are cheap enough. I don't think the Jazz will carry 4 guards. That was just GM speak by Lindsey, is my guess. And without a trade partner for Burke, Cotton will not be on the roster. Now I read all kind of moaning, not here but in recent columns extolling his virtues, that getting rid of Cotton would be a mistake. But nobody knows that one way or another. I think it was the extreme contrast in style Burke/Cotton that started thoughts of improving at backup. Maybe Burke is ready to pick up the pace. Cotton will be a good backup somewhere.
 
Red said:
The 76's forum was wondering if we'll take a second rounder for Cotton. I think he can be a backup, personally. Not 3rd string. But, opinions are cheap enough. I don't think the Jazz will carry 4 guards. That was just GM speak by Lindsey, is my guess. And without a trade partner for Burke, Cotton will not be on the roster. Now I read all kind of moaning, not here but in recent columns extolling his virtues, that getting rid of Cotton would be a mistake. But nobody knows that one way or another. I think it was the extreme contrast in style Burke/Cotton that started thoughts of improving at backup. Maybe Burke is ready to pick up the pace. Cotton will be a good backup somewhere.
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We don't need a 2nd. We have stockpiled 14 picks for the next 3 drafts with no real need to fill.
Life is good as a Jazz fan.
 
stitches said:
Burke is shooting 35% in SL!!! THIRTY FIVE PERCENT! In Summer League! Lets stop acting like he's some can't miss talent! And to add to it - he was destroyed on D by all NBA-level PGs he faced. Russell, Rozier, Clarkson, Smart all had their way with him. He can't fight through screens, he gets stuck and opponents are left all alone in the mid-range with variety of option on their disposal, he can't contest shots and they all shoot over him both on jumpshots and on their way to the rim.

He's a fun player to watch, but he's a borderline NBA player. I wouldn't be shocked or upset one bit if he didn't make the team...
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This could have been the summary for Burke his two summer league seasons (except the shooting percentage wasn't even that good!).
 
Here's the most recent rumination on the 4 pg status. Concludes what I concluded. Cotton and Neto competing for the third pg position. Seems like as good a chance as any that Cotton ends up in the D League again. Which none of his fans would want, understandably given the reviews at this stage. Since this is about the needs of the Jazz, and not the needs of Cotton, we go with the former in any and all cases. But I'd have to hope Cotton could move on, rather then spend more time in D League. He's 23 now. If the FO want Neto and Cotton competing, then why give Neto a guaranteed contract ahead of any competition? They signed Neto to be third pg. Aside from getting exposure, I don't see Cotton's audition up to this point doing him much good if he has to go back to D League....
I'd have to hope he'd get traded.
I just can't quite figure it out. I know they like Cotton to a degree, but it doesn't seem like there can really be a spot for Cotton. Makes my head hurt, lol...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...with-logjam-of-young-point-guards.html?pg=all
 
Red said:
The 76's forum was wondering if we'll take a second rounder for Cotton. I think he can be a backup, personally. Not 3rd string. But, opinions are cheap enough. I don't think the Jazz will carry 4 guards. That was just GM speak by Lindsey, is my guess. And without a trade partner for Burke, Cotton will not be on the roster. Now I read all kind of moaning, not here but in recent columns extolling his virtues, that getting rid of Cotton would be a mistake. But nobody knows that one way or another. I think it was the extreme contrast in style Burke/Cotton that started thoughts of improving at backup. Maybe Burke is ready to pick up the pace. Cotton will be a good backup somewhere.
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If Philly wants to continue to suck, that trade may not be bad (I love me some Cotton, however.) The first few picks of the second round are pretty valuable. I want no part of their extra 2nd rounder owed to them from somewhere else though. . .
 
Red said:
Here's the most recent rumination on the 4 pg status. Concludes what I concluded. Cotton and Neto competing for the third pg position. Seems like as good a chance as any that Cotton ends up in the D League again. Which none of his fans would want, understandably given the reviews at this stage. Since this is about the needs of the Jazz, and not the needs of Cotton, we go with the former in any and all cases. But I'd have to hope Cotton could move on, rather then spend more time in D League. He's 23 now. If the FO want Neto and Cotton competing, then why give Neto a guaranteed contract ahead of any competition? They signed Neto to be third pg. Aside from getting exposure, I don't see Cotton's audition up to this point doing him much good if he has to go back to D League....
I'd have to hope he'd get traded.
I just can't quite figure it out. I know they like Cotton to a degree, but it doesn't seem like there can really be a spot for Cotton. Makes my head hurt, lol...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...with-logjam-of-young-point-guards.html?pg=all
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I think Cotton has better chance to be picked by a team on the waiver-wire and that's why I think the more likely one to be waived is Cooley. We can start with 5 bigs, send Cooley to our D-League team and if we ever need him because of injuries, we do the appropriate machinations with the roster if/whenever we happen to need it.

One way or another the roster for game-day needs to be cut down to 13. So one of the PGs would most probably be sent to the Stampede(be put on the inactive list), while still keeping his roster spot among the 15 registered players.
 
Stifle Tower said:
This could have been the summary for Burke his two summer league seasons (except the shooting percentage wasn't even that good!).
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And trey isn't nearly as "fun to watch"
 
I know that's hard to swallow and believe me I feel very uncomfortable having to defend Burke for the production he's put out, but Trey has had two full NBA seasons(most of them playing against starter PGs) better than Cotton's summer league.
 
I'll wait and see how cotton looks in the preseason when he can trust some of the other players around him to provide some offense
 
stitches said:
I know that's hard to swallow and believe me I feel very uncomfortable having to defend Burke for the production he's put out, but Trey has had two full NBA seasons(most of them playing against starter PGs) better than Cotton's summer league.
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This is a very valid point. I think the question comes down to Neto v. Cotton. Between the two, I'd go with Neto. He had a solid (better than Burke, but that's not saying much) summer league followed by major league play. He's also a better facilitator and taller.

Cotton has probably played his way into the league, and I'm happy for him. If he's on the Jazz again and we keep 4 PGs, that's great.
 
Was this game not televised? I would've DVR'd it if I could find it. I tried to DVR the replay last night but it was BLACKED OUT. Huh? Sigh.

Lyles finally has a good game but it's impossible to find. I call shenanigans. This game never happened.
 
phippsj said:
This is a very valid point. I think the question comes down to Neto v. Cotton. Between the two, I'd go with Neto. He had a solid (better than Burke, but that's not saying much) summer league followed by major league play. He's also a better facilitator and taller.

Cotton has probably played his way into the league, and I'm happy for him. If he's on the Jazz again and we keep 4 PGs, that's great.
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Are we sure Neto is taller? By fractions msybe? From the link I left on bottom of page 7, this quote:

"Burke, Cotton and Neto are each listed at 6-1, which apparently is the standard height by which all undersized guards must be listed on the roster according to some unwritten team or NBA regulation.

I say this because I've stood a couple of feet away from each one of them in interview situations, and I am pretty sure none of them are taller me. And thanks to getting shorter — and fatter — with advanced age — and bad eating habits — I barely stand 6 feet tall anymore."
 
stitches said:
I know that's hard to swallow and believe me I feel very uncomfortable having to defend Burke for the production he's put out, but Trey has had two full NBA seasons(most of them playing against starter PGs) better than Cotton's summer league.
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Okay, that makes TB more ready to play in October, 2015. But its not about that, it is about April-May-June 2017 and onward.
 
Cotton shot 42% in 15 games the end of last season. Maybe that's a truer snapshot in the long run then 35% in 7 games in 10 days in SL. 95% from the line in SL. Just in that last game, of 11 shots taken, 4 were at the rim and are made way more then missed. He missed all 4. I don't believe that would be the norm at all, and I see no reason why he can't get back above 40%. And, obviously, he will get a lot of points at the charity stripe. He did score the last 4 points of the win over LA at the line. He needs to get much better with the jump shot, and I think he will.
 
Red said:
Cotton shot 42% in 15 games the end of last season. Maybe that's a truer snapshot in the long run then 35% in 7 games in 10 days in SL. 95% from the line in SL. Just in that last game, of 11 shots taken, 4 were at the rim and are made way more then missed. He missed all 4. I don't believe that would be the norm at all, and I see no reason why he can't get back above 40%. And, obviously, he will get a lot of points at the charity stripe. He did score the last 4 points of the win over LA at the line. He needs to get much better with the jump shot, and I think he will.
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Even if shooting is a wash, Cotton is the better choice. He plays with pace and looks to distribute the ball. The biggest argument for Trey has been that he was a "leader" and a "winner" in college. That's great on an initial resume, but now job performance is what counts.

I fully expect Burke to be the #2 PG to open the season. And that WON'T be a reflection on Bryce. Jazz simply need to try to increase Burke's trade value.
 
BENTLEY said:
Was this game not televised? I would've DVR'd it if I could find it. I tried to DVR the replay last night but it was BLACKED OUT. Huh? Sigh.

Lyles finally has a good game but it's impossible to find. I call shenanigans. This game never happened.
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It was on NBATV with David Aldridge commentating... pretty sure it happened... LOL
 
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