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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

Handlogten's Heros said:
So NO is 600k from the tax... signing Monroe would put them over the tax line no? They would need to offload a little current year salary in a deal. Doesn't make sense to jump into the tax... maybe they pay someone to take clark or Allen.
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I'd take Allen with a second rounder using Thabo exception. We'd need to buy out JJ.
 
Tell me if I understand this correctly. Niko has a no trade clause. He seems to want to play in Utah, correct? Bulls want a first in any deal involving Niko, Niko can just turn down any good offer, and I'm sure he'd like to stick it to the bulls as I'm sure the relationship is strained, so he needs to go. In my mind the jazz should be able to wait out the bulls and trade Favors straight up, no need to involve other teams as far as I see it.


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Once the Monroe sweepstakes ends I think NO makes their deal. If they got Monroe they might think they can keep him there on the cheap, so it'd be a long term play.

If they did that deal I think a JJ might make sense... just don't show them the numbers or the tape. Talk about his late game experience and vet leadership.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Tell me if I understand this correctly. Niko has a no trade clause. He seems to want to play in Utah, correct? Bulls want a first in any deal involving Niko, Niko can just turn down any good offer, and I'm sure he'd like to stick it to the bulls as I'm sure the relationship is strained, so he needs to go. In my mind the jazz should be able to wait out the bulls and trade Favors straight up, no need to involve other teams as far as I see it.


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If they pick up his team option he no longer has a no trade... NO needed the flexibility so that was a game changer for them. It shouldn't have been though... unless the guy gets hurt they could dump his salary this offseason. Then again in NO injuries abound so they might be overly cautious.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Tell me if I understand this correctly. Niko has a no trade clause. He seems to want to play in Utah, correct? Bulls want a first in any deal involving Niko, Niko can just turn down any good offer, and I'm sure he'd like to stick it to the bulls as I'm sure the relationship is strained, so he needs to go. In my mind the jazz should be able to wait out the bulls and trade Favors straight up, no need to involve other teams as far as I see it.
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It's not really a no-trade clause. He can veto a trade because he's on a one-year contract (unless his option is picked up). If they pick up his option, he has no say. NO wants salary relief. He doesn't want to lose his bird rights [this is actually funny that everyone is in a panic about him only being a rental here because all accounts say he wants to be here and he doesn't want to lose his bird rights], so he vetoes trades that don't pick up his option. It's quite possible someone swoops in who would want his extra year -- he would have no veto power.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
So NO is 600k from the tax... signing Monroe would put them over the tax line no? They would need to offload a little current year salary in a deal. Doesn't make sense to jump into the tax... maybe they pay someone to take clark or Allen.
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Good point. I know it's not a lot, but trading Asik for Joe Johnson does save NOLA $90,000. They would be a minor dump move away (Tony Allen to a contender?) from having the money for Monroe. http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9ue67qr
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
If they pick up his team option he no longer has a no trade... NO needed the flexibility so that was a game changer for them. It shouldn't have been though... unless the guy gets hurt they could dump his salary this offseason. Then again in NO injuries abound so they might be overly cautious.
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I'm confused. Why didn't the trade between chi. And No. not go through? I thought Niko turned it down. If the team can just pick up his option to get rid of the trade clause, why didn't they? Am I missing something? I am pretty dumb when it comes to all this weird trading crap.


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tonstermits said:
Joe Johnson wants to be traded according Marc Stein. Can't blame him.
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Say it ain't so Joe Jesus. :( Do not forsake us.

In all seriousness though, if that's what he wants we should try to oblige. I have great respect for Joe. Class act and a true professional. It just sucks if he does go. I really wanted to see him retire here.

No matter what, we will never forget

 
infection said:
It's not really a no-trade clause. He can veto a trade because he's on a one-year contract (unless his option is picked up). If they pick up his option, he has no say. NO wants salary relief. He doesn't want to lose his bird rights [this is actually funny that everyone is in a panic about him only being a rental here because all accounts say he wants to be here and he doesn't want to lose his bird rights], so he vetoes trades that don't pick up his option. It's quite possible someone swoops in who would want his extra year -- he would have no veto power.
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I think we are in a good position here still. We have enough middling assets to make up the difference. I would have thought a deal for Favs would get done yesterday, but if Monroe has a chance to go there then it makes sense that NO would wait.

If NO bows out I don't see another team stepping in with a first. Maybe Portland, but they will want to send back Harkless or Leonard and those deals might be more onerous than Asik's. Harkless less so because I think he's a decent player but just overpaid.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I'm confused. Why didn't the trade between chi. And No. not go through? I thought Niko turned it down. If the team can just pick up his option to get rid of the trade clause, why didn't they? Am I missing something? I am pretty dumb when it comes to all this weird trading crap.


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#1 - Until Chicago or an acquiring team exercises Mirotic's salary for 2018-19, Mirotic has a no trade clause.
#2 - Mirotic wants whoever trades for him to pick up his option for 2018-19.
#3 - New Orleans didn't want to do that since they were doing the trade more to dump Asik and Ajinca than to add Mirotic.
#4 - Trade could not be completed since Mirotic's agents said no.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I'm confused. Why didn't the trade between chi. And No. not go through? I thought Niko turned it down. If the team can just pick up his option to get rid of the trade clause, why didn't they? Am I missing something? I am pretty dumb when it comes to all this weird trading crap.


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NO was trading for him primarily to dump salary to resign Cousins this summer.
 
Would anyone take Asik, Jackson and their first for JJ? I'd include Tomic for the lols.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I'm confused. Why didn't the trade between chi. And No. not go through? I thought Niko turned it down. If the team can just pick up his option to get rid of the trade clause, why didn't they? Am I missing something? I am pretty dumb when it comes to all this weird trading crap.


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Niko wants his team option picked up for next year. NO just wants a Niko rental so they can re-sign Boogie this offseason.
 
The New York Knicks and center Joakim Noah seem to be at an impasse that may be unrepairable. Noah and Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek were reported to have gotten into a very heated exchange that ended up with Noah being sent home. A league source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking suggested New York may be open to giving up their first-round pick this year to offload Noah without needing to buy him out or carry a monster cap hit. The prevailing thought was the Knicks wouldn’t be bad enough to land one of the gems of the draft class, and with so much youth on the roster now, a one year hit to jettison Noah seems to be at least under consideration.

Anything else we could ask for in this deal?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I'm confused. Why didn't the trade between chi. And No. not go through? I thought Niko turned it down. If the team can just pick up his option to get rid of the trade clause, why didn't they? Am I missing something? I am pretty dumb when it comes to all this weird trading crap.


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NO didn’t want to pick up the team option so he said no... they could change their mind and there’d be nothing he could do.
 
LoPo said:
The New York Knicks and center Joakim Noah seem to be at an impasse that may be unrepairable. Noah and Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek were reported to have gotten into a very heated exchange that ended up with Noah being sent home. A league source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking suggested New York may be open to giving up their first-round pick this year to offload Noah without needing to buy him out or carry a monster cap hit. The prevailing thought was the Knicks wouldn’t be bad enough to land one of the gems of the draft class, and with so much youth on the roster now, a one year hit to jettison Noah seems to be at least under consideration.

Anything else we could ask for in this deal?
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They'd just trade him to Chicago.
 
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