Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

The New York Knicks and center Joakim Noah seem to be at an impasse that may be unrepairable. Noah and Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek were reported to have gotten into a very heated exchange that ended up with Noah being sent home. A league source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking suggested New York may be open to giving up their first-round pick this year to offload Noah without needing to buy him out or carry a monster cap hit. The prevailing thought was the Knicks wouldn’t be bad enough to land one of the gems of the draft class, and with so much youth on the roster now, a one year hit to jettison Noah seems to be at least under consideration.

Anything else we could ask for in this deal?

Geez! Is a ny first really worth having that nightmare on the team? I can't decide.


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[Avery]

The New York Knicks and center Joakim Noah seem to be at an impasse that may be unrepairable. Noah and Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek were reported to have gotten into a very heated exchange that ended up with Noah being sent home. A league source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking suggested New York may be open to giving up their first-round pick this year to offload Noah without needing to buy him out or carry a monster cap hit. The prevailing thought was the Knicks wouldn’t be bad enough to land one of the gems of the draft class, and with so much youth on the roster now, a one year hit to jettison Noah seems to be at least under consideration.

Anything else we could ask for in this deal?

Noah has arguably the worst contract in the league at $19 mil per for two more seasons. Would have to give me more than just their unprotected 1st honestly.

 

[MilesDeep]

For Joe's sake I hope the Jazz can move him. He kinda stinks, and rigor mortis has set in. He's always been iffy defensively (at Utah) defending quick people, but this year he's amped it up to Kanter level. I think he's mentally checked out because Utah has been bad. I've watched him since his days in Phoenix and I never have seen him miss this percentage of open shots.

 

[MDAV28]

The New York Knicks and center Joakim Noah seem to be at an impasse that may be unrepairable. Noah and Knicks head coach Jeff Hornacek were reported to have gotten into a very heated exchange that ended up with Noah being sent home. A league source familiar with the Knicks’ thinking suggested New York may be open to giving up their first-round pick this year to offload Noah without needing to buy him out or carry a monster cap hit. The prevailing thought was the Knicks wouldn’t be bad enough to land one of the gems of the draft class, and with so much youth on the roster now, a one year hit to jettison Noah seems to be at least under consideration.

Anything else we could ask for in this deal?

Honestly no. I don't think the Knicks would have nearly enough that would make taking on Noah worth it. That is by far and away the worst contract in the NBA right now I think.

 

[Avery]

For Joe's sake I hope the Jazz can move him. He kinda stinks, and rigor mortis has set in. He's always been iffy defensively (at Utah) defending quick people, but this year he's amped it up to Kanter level. I think he's mentally checked out because Utah has been bad. I've watched him since his days in Phoenix and I never have seen him miss this percentage of open shots.

He's UFA next year and he wouldn't resign so get anything you can out of it, even if it's only a second rounder. Time to fire sale all of our expiring for assets.

 

[LoPo]

This is extremely bold and pretty much keeps us out of free agency the next two years (would we be players anyway?):

Burks and Thabo for Noah, NY's top 1 protected 2018 pick, and a future pick swap
then
Joe Johnson for Asik, Jackson and NOLA's top 10 protected 2018 1st.
then
Asik and the NOLA pick to Chicago for Mirotic.....

We would add about $19 million in contracts for next year (Noah+Mirotic+Jackson-Burks) and $19 for 2019, but we gain a promising PG in Jackson, a top 10 pick and We could probably stretch Noah before summer 2019.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Niko wants his team option picked up for next year. NO just wants a Niko rental so they can re-sign Boogie this offseason.

I think they actually liked having the option... so if Boogie booted they could sell AD on at least they have Niko.

They honestly should just gonthe other way and trade AD to rebuild. With what they have now they will never be able to put enough around him to make sense and I think that Boogie contract is going to be really bad for whoever signs him.

 

[hgb]

If you are the Cavs would you rather lose Lebron or get something back for him? I could see Gilbert being petty enough just to lose him rather than trade him to the Warriors, but as a franchise the latter is much smarter.

Yeah, I'd want something back, but I don't want Iguodala, and Klay doesn't really have that much value on an expiring contract on what's destined to be a tanking team.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeah, I'd want something back, but I don't want Iguodala, and Klay doesn't really have that much value on an expiring contract on what's destined to be a tanking team.

Tanking? They would have Klay Thompson and Kevin Love.

 

[LoPo]

I updated the plan:

Burks and Thabo for Noah, NY's top 1 protected 2018 pick, and a future pick swap
then
Joe Johnson for Asik, Jackson and NOLA's top 10 protected 2018 1st.
then
Asik and the NOLA pick to Chicago for Mirotic.....

We add Mirotic, Jackson and a top 10 pick. We have to pay Noah though....

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is extremely bold and pretty much keeps us out of free agency the next two years (would we be players anyway?):

Burks and Thabo for Noah, NY's top 1 protected 2018 pick, and a future pick swap
then
Joe Johnson for Asik, Jackson and NOLA's top 10 protected 2018 1st.

We would add about $18 million in contracts for next year (Noah+Asik+Jackson-Burks) and $19 for 2019, but we gain a promising PG in Jackson, a top 10 pick and a top 20 pick. We could probably stretch Noah before summer 2019.

That adds about 23M in 2019. I just don’t like having that much completely dead salary on the books. AB is at least a rotation player at a position with scarcity. Removing him and adding 30m in completely dead money just feels icky.

 

[LoPo]

That adds about 23M in 2019. I just don’t like having that much completely dead salary on the books. AB is at least a rotation player at a position with scarcity. Removing him and adding 30m in completely dead money just feels icky.

Yeah, true. I saw that then I forgot Chicago was willing to take Asik and NOLA's 1st for Mirotic. We just do that deal once we have Asik and NOLA's 1st.

 

[infection]

Noah
McDermott
Cash considerations
This year's unprotected
Two future pick swaps

Burks
Rubio

 

[hgb]

Tanking? They would have Klay Thompson and Kevin Love.

Hmm, yeah, forgot about Love. Not a contender, anyway. Then again, perhaps they continue by offloading Love and Klay and _then_ tank...

 

[SCS]

Who is Mirotic's agent?

According to Realgm his agent is Aylton Tesch. Who is the agent for multiple foreign players in the NBA. Including Raul Neto.

 

[infection]

According to Realgm his agent is Aylton Tesch. Who is the agent for multiple foreign players in the NBA. Including Raul Neto.

 

[SCS]

Basketball Insiders says that the Jazz are still the frontrunners to land Mirotic. But have been unwilling to give up a 1st round pick to get the deal done.

 

[radiohegel]

Sounds like The Jazz are still frontrunners for Niko.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-inching-closer-to-the-trade-deadline/

Relevant section:

"The Utah Jazz continue to be the team considered the front-runner to land Mirotic, but they have been unwilling to part with a first-round pick to seal the deal."

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It seems clear no one wants to take Niko for a first unless they can also use it as a cap clearing move, meaning maintaining his team option for flexibility in the offseason (e.g., New Orleans). Obviously Niko isn't ok with that (with the possible exception of the Jazz, because he really does seem to have Utah as his number one destination). Sure looks more and more like Chicago is going to have to lower the asking price. DL is looking pretty great right now.

 

[LoPo]

Noah
McDermott
Cash considerations
This year's unprotected
Two future pick swaps

Burks
Rubio

Interesting. Burks and Noah really isn't that bad for us next year. Sure, we spend $6 million more next year, but it's not too bad. If we sent Rubio and Burks, we actually save money next year which is an interesting twist. I also worry about NY's pick getting worse this summer.

I'm not sure I'm committed right now to trading Rubio. Seems like it would be a step in the tank direction. It also seems like Donovan is a Rubio fan. Don't want to send the "business decision" message to Donovan so early if he does like Rubio.

 

[infection]

Sounds like The Jazz are still frontrunners for Niko.

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/nba-daily-inching-closer-to-the-trade-deadline/

Relevant section:

"The Utah Jazz continue to be the team considered the front-runner to land Mirotic, but they have been unwilling to part with a first-round pick to seal the deal."

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It seems clear no one wants to take Niko for a first unless they can also use it as a cap clearing move, meaning maintaining his team option for flexibility in the offseason (e.g., New Orleans). Obviously Niko isn't ok with that (with the possible exception of the Jazz, because he really does seem to have Utah as his number one destination). Sure looks more and more like Chicago is going to have to lower the asking price. DL is looking pretty great right now.

Hopefully he knows enough (and is pretty damn sure on that) to wait it out. If so, kudos, but I still see it possible that another team can swoop in unexpected who wants his second year.