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Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

NUMBERICA said:
As far as I know, he's fully guaranteed, and owed ~$19 million per season after this one.

In other words, if you think a draft pick is worth $37+ million in addition to whatever cap ramifications, then, I mean... I hope you're getting Donovan Mitchell 2.

The closest possible avenue I can see a deal happening for the Jazz is sending Rubio and Burks for Noah and the pick in order to free up $7-$8 million in cap for the 2018 offseason. But then they'd have to also renounce rights, cut, or trade Exum, Udoh, Jerebko, Thabo, and probably Hood and Neto in order to have substantial cap space. So in that case, they'd better have a damn clue what they're doing.

In short, nothing is happening.
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Yeah it'd have to be a BKN type offer... 2018 and 2020 unprotected picks and right to swap next year. That is an ugly *** deal.
 
MDAV28 said:
Johnson reminds me of a more hyped of version of that Singleton guy from Hayward's draft I think.
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You mean Chris Singleton? I don't see it (at least based on my limited memory), other than sharing reps for D and iffy shooting. Wasn't Singleton intriguing because of his height and length for his SF position? And also known for relatively poor ball skills/offensive feel? Johnson's virtues, on the other hand are strength/agility and at least some potential in the skills/feel arena, though in a rather short package for a SF, and esp. for a PF?
 
MDAV28 said:
Has anybody put together a deal for Saric? I can't think of anything that makes enough sense for both sides but I think he should definitely be a target.
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Stitches earlier suggested Hood and JJ for Saric and Bayless... I think Saric is a tough get... he's good and cheap. Would be a great fit, but I don't think we have the juice.
 
idiot said:
You mean Chris Singleton? I don't see it (at least based on my limited memory), other than sharing reps for D and iffy shooting. Wasn't Singleton intriguing because of his height and length for his SF position? And also known for relatively poor ball skills/offensive feel? Johnson's virtues, on the other hand are strength/agility and at least some potential in the skills/feel arena, though in a rather short package for a SF, and esp. for a PF?
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Meant in turns of hype. At least from my perspective because I was high on both of them.
 
MDAV28 said:
Has anybody put together a deal for Saric? I can't think of anything that makes enough sense for both sides but I think he should definitely be a target.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
Stitches earlier suggested Hood and JJ for Saric and Bayless... I think Saric is a tough get... he's good and cheap. Would be a great fit, but I don't think we have the juice.
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Saric is a guy Id include a pick for, even this years 1st.

Hood and 1st (2018 or 2019) for Saric.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Stitches earlier suggested Hood and JJ for Saric and Bayless... I think Saric is a tough get... he's good and cheap. Would be a great fit, but I don't think we have the juice.
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Yeah they could easily get a first if they wanted to move Saric.

Juan Hernangomez is probably most gettable, probably would just simply have to take on a Faried or Chandler.
 
MDAV28 said:
Yeah they could easily get a first if they wanted to move Saric.

Juan Hernangomez is probably most gettable, probably would just simply have to take on a Faried or Chandler.
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I like him a lot... I'd go for that.
 
I'd rather get assets from Philly (1st round pick, Korkmaz, draft rights to Bolden/Pasecniks/Lessort) than give up assets for Saric.
 
Mitchell being as good as he already is in the 1st year of his rookie deal is a huge advantage as it allows us to gamble by offering a max contract to a RFA since the deal would come off the books right as Mitchell is due for an extension (if I'm not mistaken).

Imo we should trade Hood for a mid-1st (maybe to LAC for 1 of their 2 1st's if they don't go into full rebuild mode?) + Favors/JJ/etc for anything of future value (even if only to improve our own draft position).

I know some here would prefer to target a proven player that is a few years away from FA/RFA but if we're going to try to lure away a Parker/Gordon/etc, which not attempting to do so imo would be a waste of the "additional" max contract slot that Mitchell's rookie deal essentially provides us this off-season, getting another (potential) star on another rookie deal is essential & the most economical route available imo (financially & in terms of giving ourselves the best possible odds of forming our own big 3). He would also serve as security in the event that the RFA signing doesn't pan out.

Gambling on a top-tier RFA & giving DL the best possible odds of drafting a 3rd star would give us 2 shots at finalizing our long-term core & setting ourselves up as a legitimate long-term championship contender. Which I truly believe we have the potential to be.
 
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LoPo said:
The best deal out there that I see is something with JoeJ and Hood and Philly and Bayless and their 2018 1st and Korkmaz.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/articl..._rumors_jazzs_joe_johnson_wants_out_sixer.amp

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Cool, they can get the guy they probably would have drafted with the 1st from the George Hill trade.

watch
 
By the way, the championship window is between now and when Mitchell gets paid. We got four years to get this figured out, boys, cuz that boy is getting PAID.
 
karl malone said:
Mitchell being as good as he already is in the 1st year of his rookie deal is a huge advantage as it allows us to gamble by offering a max contract to a RFA since the deal would come off the books right as Mitchell is due for an extension (if I'm not mistaken).

Imo we should trade Hood for a mid-1st (maybe to LAC for 1 of their 2 1st's if they don't go into full rebuild mode?) + Favors/JJ/etc for anything of future value (even if only to improve our own draft position).

I know some here would prefer to target a proven player that is a few years away from FA/RFA but if we're going to try to lure away a Parker/Gordon/etc, which not attempting to do so imo would be a waste of the "additional" max contract slot that Mitchell's rookie deal essentially provides us this off-season, getting another (potential) star on another rookie deal is essential & the most economical route available imo (financially & in terms of giving ourselves the best possible odds of forming our own big 3). He would also serve as security in the event that the RFA signing doesn't pan out.

Gambling on a top-tier RFA & giving DL the best possible odds of drafting a 3rd star would give us 2 shots at finalizing our long-term core & setting ourselves up as a legitimate long-term championship contender. Which I truly believe we have the potential to be.
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Im in.

Worst case imo if we offer a Parker/Gordon type a max contract and it totally fails... is we'd have to trade Rudy and retool around DM as he approaches RFA.

Im fine with that risk.
 
NUMBERICA said:
By the way, the championship window is between now and when Mitchell gets paid. We got four years to get this figured out, boys, cuz that boy is getting PAID.
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8 years then. We can still put a damn good team around him after he signs his mini-max after his rookie.
 
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