Utah Trade Deadline Discussion

[Quin's Murderface]

Or you'd trade Hood for a pick and get Fournier for cap relief and be better off.

I think the durability and consistency issues are a bigger concern than his level of play. He may also get more than Evan and likely commands a 4 year deal where Evan's would have 3 years left. Would you rather have Evan for 3/51 or Hood for 4/60?

Evan is a better player in a worse situation. How much better is up for debate, but saying hood is better is just ignoring reality. Hood might (not a given either) have a higher ceiling, but he also has a higher chance of injury/DNP or injury/ineffective. Your points are all also valid. I'm more lukewarm on Fournier than I was earlier in the year. But under the right conditions I think he'd be a nice fit in the system. System fit is important. That's why *Hill looked amazing here and is meh in other spots. Fournier's skills all match what the Jazz do offensively.

It's reported that the Jazz don't have great interest in Fournier either way so probably a non issue.

 

[cowhide]

One game sample size...

He is a good fit and would come at a fair price point.

No he a few games with Chicago before the trade too. He was amazing for a good stretch but I need to see a larger period of games before I get on the bandwagon.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Evan is a better player in a worse situation. How much better is up for debate, but saying hood is better is just ignoring reality. Hood might (not a given either) have a higher ceiling, but he also has a higher chance of injury/DNP or injury/ineffective. Your points are all also valid. I'm more lukewarm on Fournier than I was earlier in the year. But under the right conditions I think he'd be a nice fit in the system. System fit is important. That's why *Hill looked amazing here and is meh in other spots. Fournier's skills all match what the Jazz do offensively.

It's reported that the Jazz don't have great interest in Fournier either way so probably a non issue.

lol

 

[infection]

Udoh has some crazy on/off numbers and positively impacts the game a ton. Favs is more skilled, but his skills don't always translate into positive team play in the same way . . . and their attitudes in regard to starting/coming off the bench I think I'll go with Udoh.

 

[Sneakers]

ugghghhHhHhhhh 24 hrs

 

[Quin's Murderface]

lol

The stats say Fournier is a better player right now. They are the same age. Fournier definitely has a worse cast around him. It won't hurt my feelings if you can argue your point logically, bruh. You think I'm wrong then prove it with your words and ideas.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

I'm surprised people think this is a shocking take. Why do you guys think Favs is on the market to begin with? He thinks he's a starter and he's too expensive at a position the Jazz already have covered.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The stats say Fournier is a better player right now. They are the same age. Fournier definitely has a worse cast around him. It won't hurt my feelings if you can argue your point logically, bruh. You think I'm wrong then prove it with your words and ideas.

Uhh, again, no. I've argued this point multiple times so really don't feel like rehashing it.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

The thing that gives me pause on trading Rodney is the deal Lou got. If the market is that cool on wing players there's a chance Hood can't get a very nice deal in FA. Hood on a bargain deal is a nice proposition. Glad I don't have to forecast the market there.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

Uhh, again, no. I've argued this point multiple times so really don't feel like rehashing it.

You've argued incorrectly then. Fournier has a higher TS% (considerably higher), better BPM, WS (on a worse team which is pretty amazing), and VORP. He's just better. He has better offensive and defensive numbers on a team without Rudy Gobert to help those numbers. He fits better in the system. He's an elite spot up player. The list goes on and on and on.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You've argued incorrectly then. Fournier has a higher TS% (considerably higher), better BPM, WS (on a worse team which is pretty amazing), and VORP. He's just better. He has better offensive and defensive numbers on a team without Rudy Gobert to help those numbers. He fits better in the system. He's an elite spot up player. The list goes on and on and on.

There is a lot more context that you are ignoring.

 

[Quin's Murderface]

There is a lot more context that you are ignoring.

Go on then. Tell me about it. Make sure it's not just you trying to argue something that you already believe instead of looking at it objectively, though.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

Cleveland was rumored as wanting Howard. Charlotte getting Hernangomez could be precursor to that deal. Could Utah be a third party?

There is zero evidence for that, so probably!

Just a reminder of the stacked 2018/19 Free Agency Class:

Unrestricted Free Agents
Point Guards

• J.J. Barea (35)
• Jerryd Bayless (31)
• Eric Bledsoe (30)
• Ricky Rubio (29)
• Ish Smith (31)
• Kemba Walker (29)

Shooting Guards

• Alec Burks (28)
• Troy Daniels (28)
• Manu Ginobili (42)
• Justin Holiday (30)
• Jeremy Lamb (27)
• Ben McLemore (26)
• Klay Thompson (29)

Small Forwards

• Al-Farouq Aminu (29)
• DeMarre Carroll (33)
• Jared Dudley (34)
• Terrence Ross (28)

Power Forwards

• Kenneth Faried (30)
• Taj Gibson (34)
• JaMychal Green (29)
• Tobias Harris (27)
• Nikola Mirotic (28)
• Marcus Morris (30)
• Markieff Morris (30)
• Zach Randolph (38)
• Mirza Teletovic (34)

Centers

• Alexis Ajinca (31)
• Tyson Chandler (37)
• Marcin Gortat (35)
• Dwight Howard (34)
• Robin Lopez (31)
• Boban Marjanovic (31)
• Nikola Vucevic (29)

Why? Why is it that every freaking year we have people thinking that the big names are going to sign in Utah? It NEVER happens, so just stop expecting it. The deals we can make are overpaying for a mid tier dude. Or getting bargain bin players like Thabo and Jerebko. The franchise savior will not be a free agent acquisition. So just set yourself up for that disappointment now.

Paying $17Mil/yr for Fournier are the moves that have you in perpetual rebuilds.

Im arguing the opposite if you cared to read.

No half measures.

If you really want the Jazz to sign a decent free agent, overpaying for someone like Fournier is literally the only kind of move they can make. They have to beat the market and have no shot at the big guys. So decide your stance on stuff like this now, and stop contradicting yourself.

Deciding on your basketball team's construct is like finishing a term paper. Most people wait til the last moment. Deciding on Hood is like turning your paper in a week early. Trading Hood and deciding on Rubio in 2019 gives you an extra week of procrastination.

Well put.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Go on then. Tell me about it. Make sure it's not just you trying to argue something that you already believe instead of looking at it objectively, though.

Like I said, I've already done this and don't feel like retreading it fully on my phone.

But tldr, Fournier's role is much simpler and geared towards looking better analytically and Fournier had the benefit of continuity in Orlando basically having the same roster as the previous year.

 

[infection]

I'm surprised people think this is a shocking take. Why do you guys think Favs is on the market to begin with? He thinks he's a starter and he's too expensive at a position the Jazz already have covered.

Not sure if this is a response to me or not but I'm agreeing with what you said.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The thing that gives me pause on trading Rodney is the deal Lou got. If the market is that cool on wing players there's a chance Hood can't get a very nice deal in FA. Hood on a bargain deal is a nice proposition. Glad I don't have to forecast the market there.

True... didn't even get full MLE money...

Obviously the situations are different... I still think the floor for a Hood deal is 4/50 unless he has a lot of injuries. The ceiling might be 4/80... teams get stupid.

 

[Jazzta]

I wouldn't be disappointed if the Jazz stand pat this time around.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

I want to give Stanley Johnson a shot at a rebirth. He could be good at the 4 in a small ball lineup. Especially against smaller teams (Rockets, Warriors).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I want to give Stanley Johnson a shot at a rebirth. He could be good at the 4 in a small ball lineup. Especially against smaller teams (Rockets, Warriors).

The most recent reports out of Detroit are that SVG likes the roster now. We will see if its true.

 

[infection]

I want to give Stanley Johnson a shot at a rebirth. He could be good at the 4 in a small ball lineup. Especially against smaller teams (Rockets, Warriors).

I think having a small-ball four who's really a wing playing is already a stretch (no pun intended) if they can shoot, but playing a small-ball four who can't shoot seems really backwards.