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DownUnder said:
serious question .. are Saudi Arabia's people starving ?
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YES!!!

They are. Glad you asked.

'Food crisis' hits 10,000 laid-off Indians in Saudi Arabia

Sushma Swaraj said "large numbers" of Indians had lost their jobs in the kingdom, leaving them with not enough money to buy food.

The Indian community in Jeddah, with the government's help, has distributed food to those in need at the weekend.

Growth has slowed in Saudi Arabia as the country suffers the effect of lower oil prices.

Ms Swaraj appealed on Twitter for the three-million-strong Indian community in the country to "help your fellow brothers and sisters".

"I assure you that no Indian worker rendered unemployed in Saudi Arabia will go without food," she wrote.

A government minister is travelling to Saudi Arabia, Ms Swaraj said. He is expected to help with arranging an airlift of laid-off Indians who are unable to afford the air fare home.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36936666

This is not insignificant as 30 percent of Saudi Arabia's workforce consists of immigrants.

And

In the 2000s, malnutrition in Saudi Arabia for children 5 or younger was significant: 5.3 percent of the youth were underweight, 9.3 percent of the children were stunting, 11.8 percent of children were wasting and 6.1 percent of children were overweight.

These percentages of malnourished youth in Saudi Arabia may seem small and insignificant, but when compared to U.S. percentages of malnourishment it provides perspective to the real issue at hand.

During that same years, only 0.5 percent of children in the U.S. were underweight, 2.1 percent were stunted, 0.5 percent of children were wasting, and only 6 percent of children were overweight.

Although a portion of Saudi Arabia’s 28.7 million population live in wealth, approximately 20 percent of Saudi Arabia live in severe poverty. This percentage of individuals living in poverty correlates to malnutrition in Saudi Arabia.
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https://borgenproject.org/malnutrition-in-saudi-arabia/

Due to the poor distribution of wealth, a significant portion of Saudi Arabia's people live in poverty and starvation. This is exacerbated when commodity prices for oil plummet. It hits the most vulnerable first, like immigrant laborers from India or Yemen and then spreads to the general population, like Saudi Arabian youth (unemployment is 21.4 percent for men ages 18-24). Their per capita income is shrinking, inflation rate increasing, and overall unemployment rate is at 11 percent).

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/sa.html

If oil prices continue to stay low, the starvation in Venezuela will continue to worsen and most likely lead to a destabilization and anarchy. While not so drastic measures will be taken in Saudi Arabia. I doubt you'll see a revolution there. But you'll see increased hostility towards immigrants, possible destabilization, and most likely OPEC will continue to slash oil production (and workers) in attempts to create oil shortages and drive the price up.

This poses an interesting dilemma for Donald's economic policy. He prided himself on bringing American coal and oil back. Projects like the Dakota pipeline and keystone, touted as being "good for American workers" will be even less impactful since the price for oil is already low. If his economic policy fails, what does that mean for him and the GOP? What does that mean for the millions of Americans (especially the white and poorly educated/unskilled) who placed all of their hopes and dreams on him bringing the oil and coal extraction industry back?

As you can see, There's more to economics than "just being socialist." I know Rush or fake news like Fox News don't want you to know that. But to understand 21st century economics we need to stop oversimplifying things.
 
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Never seen anyone so excited to point out that people are starving.
 
The Thriller said:
Hilarious!

So you admit that there are other factors than just "being socialist" that have effected Venezuela; such as capping prices, overtegulation, few exports other than oil, and having few other natural resources? Glad we cleared that up.

Oversimplifying a very complicated economic situation does nothing constructive. I get that many of you on the right are using ideology to form your reality aka dismissing facts by using "alternative facts." But again, let me reiterate, this does nothing constructive.

There are also other factors to consider. China and Brazil are among their top trading partners. The former has seen an economic slowdown and the latter has seen a full blown depression. Neither of which bodes well for a smaller and less wealthy country with fewer trading partners, such as Venezuela.

If just "being socialist" doomed countries to starvation, why isn't Finland, Sweden, or Canada starving like Venezuela?

Don't be dumb, snow flake.
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I'm scared that you're teaching our children. Truly. No wonder test scores are decreasing.

Of course there are other factors, I've never denied that...nobody intelligent would. Lets look at some of those factors, yeah? The capping of prices, the over-regulation, the taking of private property and giving it to the government, reducing the incentives to create a quality product, those are all factors that have brought Venezuela to where they currently are. Now what brought on those factors? Their socialist regime. Those factors weren't there before, you do realize that, yes? They were brought on by the current socialist regime. I will repeat, those factors are there because of their socialism.

Now we can't change that they don't really produce much outside of oil. That's a fixed factor. So in their case, it's fairly obvious from the outset that socialism isn't going to be very productive in a country like that. I'm not going to say that socialism can't, or won't work in any case, period...that would be ignorant of me, and I don't have enough knowledge to say something like that. I'm obviously not that intelligent. All I'm saying is that it's rather obvious in their case that socialism isn't working for them. If you would like to argue that it is, I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
 
JustTheTip said:
I'm scared that you're teaching our children. Truly. No wonder test scores are decreasing.

Of course there are other factors, I've never denied that...nobody intelligent would. Lets look at some of those factors, yeah? The capping of prices, the over-regulation, the taking of private property and giving it to the government, reducing the incentives to create a quality product, those are all factors that have brought Venezuela to where they currently are. Now what brought on those factors? Their socialist regime. Those factors weren't there before, you do realize that, yes? They were brought on by the current socialist regime. I will repeat, those factors are there because of their socialism.

Now we can't change that they don't really produce much outside of oil. That's a fixed factor. So in their case, it's fairly obvious from the outset that socialism isn't going to be very productive in a country like that. I'm not going to say that socialism can't, or won't work in any case, period...that would be ignorant of me, and I don't have enough knowledge to say something like that. I'm obviously not that intelligent. All I'm saying is that it's rather obvious in their case that socialism isn't working for them. If you would like to argue that it is, I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
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You can't call Thriller an idiot when you talk about socialism like a propoganda-fed 12 year old. There's swaths of democratically socialist countries with the general populace doing *far* better than your pathetic American oligarchy. The nerve of an American to pound his chest when they rank lowest on almost every standard of living/quality of life measure in the developed world.
 
dalamon said:
You can't call Thriller an idiot when you talk about socialism like a propoganda-fed 12 year old. There's swaths of democratically socialist countries with the general populace doing *far* better than your pathetic American oligarchy. The nerve of an American to pound his chest when they rank lowest on almost every standard of living/quality of life measure in the developed world.
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The living standards of the poor is better in the most successful developed countries. In other metrics of living standards, the US is competitive. For example, the US has high HDI and GDP per capita.

Also, the US is a mixed economy like the rest of the developed world. There are no socialist vs capitalist countries (as you well know).
 
dalamon said:
You can't call Thriller an idiot when you talk about socialism like a propoganda-fed 12 year old. There's swaths of democratically socialist countries with the general populace doing *far* better than your pathetic American oligarchy. The nerve of an American to pound his chest when they rank lowest on almost every standard of living/quality of life measure in the developed world.
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1) I never called Thriller an idiot.

2) If you read what I posted, I was talking about Venezuela's socialism on an individual term. That is why I used possessive pronouns when discussing it.

3) I rather specifically said that I wasn't commenting on other countries, and why what they do works for them. If you had actually cared to read what I wrote, you may have noticed that.

4) If you would like to comment specifically on anything I wrote here, rather than the generalities of things I didn't touch on, I would love to hear from you. Seriously.
 
Siro said:
The living standards of the poor is better in the most successful developed countries. In other metrics of living standards, the US is competitive. For example, the US has high HDI and GDP per capita.

Also, the US is a mixed economy like the rest of the developed world. There are no socialist vs capitalist countries (as you well know).
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Agreed that economical practices of the people should not be considered homogeneous.


I post, therefore I am.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Never seen anyone so excited to point out that people are starving.
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Pretty sure the enthusiastism was directed at answering the question than in taking some sort of joy in human suffering. I'm sorry understand didn't understand that.
 
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JustTheTip said:
I'm scared that you're teaching our children. Truly. No wonder test scores are decreasing.

Of course there are other factors, I've never denied that...nobody intelligent would. Lets look at some of those factors, yeah? The capping of prices, the over-regulation, the taking of private property and giving it to the government, reducing the incentives to create a quality product, those are all factors that have brought Venezuela to where they currently are. Now what brought on those factors? Their socialist regime. Those factors weren't there before, you do realize that, yes? They were brought on by the current socialist regime. I will repeat, those factors are there because of their socialism.

Now we can't change that they don't really produce much outside of oil. That's a fixed factor. So in their case, it's fairly obvious from the outset that socialism isn't going to be very productive in a country like that. I'm not going to say that socialism can't, or won't work in any case, period...that would be ignorant of me, and I don't have enough knowledge to say something like that. I'm obviously not that intelligent. All I'm saying is that it's rather obvious in their case that socialism isn't working for them. If you would like to argue that it is, I would love to hear your thoughts on that.
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Yet you've now TWICE bemoaned the fact that I teach. So although you're not using nouns to call me insults, you're clearly suggesting that I'm an idiot.

Yet, Saudi Arabia is suffering from similar problems regarding poverty, starvation, and a sinking economy based on the oil industry. They're not socialist.

I'd think that parents would want their kids to investigate ALL of the factors (natural resources, workforce demographics, physical location, trading partners, and government structure) and not just merely paint with a broad brush these countries as socialist = bad.

When attacking me with ad hominem attacks, perhaps you should be more specific as to what truly horrifies you about teaching students to critically think? This time come out of your safe place snow flake, be specific and use real facts, not alternative facts or lazy bumper sticker slogans like your first post in this thead.
 
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The Thriller said:
Yet Saudi Arabia is suffering from similar problems regarding poverty, starvation, and a sinking economy based on the oil industry. They're not socialist.

I'd think that parents would want their kids to investigate ALL of the factors (natural resources, workforce demographics, physical location, trading partners, and government structure) and not just merely paint with a broad brush these countries as socialist = bad.

When attacking me with ad hominem attacks, perhaps you should be more specific as to what truly horrifies you about teaching students to critically think? This time come out of your safe place snow flake, be specific and use real facts, not alternative facts or lazy bumper sticker slogans like your first post in this thead.
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Posts like these are what terrifies me as a parent. You either didn't read what I posted, or you lack the cognitive abilities to figure out what I said. I can't tell if you're that dogmatic about your political/social views, or if you just don't/can't reason.

1) I repeat, I never referred to "countries". I only referred to Venezuela, even using personal, singular pronouns hoping to get the point across. I figured a teacher would be able to recognize that. Guess I was wrong. I am only talking about Venezuela.

2) I did use facts. You failed to respond to them. Now you may ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are facts. Another reason I would be terrified to have my children taught by you.

3) I didn't compare Saudi Arabia and Venezuela bc they are different situations, with many complex details that factor into their situations. However, since you keep on bringing it up, let's compare them.

Saudi Arabia:
Inflation Rate: 1.7
CPI: 136.8
Food Inflation: -4.3
Producer Prices: 160.80
Producer Prices Change: 3.7
Inflation Rate Mom: -0.5
Cpi Transportation: 121.1
Govt Debt to GDP: 5.9%
Food inflation: -4.3%

Venezuela:
inflation Rate: 800
Inflation Rate Mom: 8.7
CPI: 2146.1
Core Consumer Prices: 594.3
Core Inflation Rate: 60.3
Food Inflation: 315
CPI Transportation: 1995.1
Govt Debt to GDP: 49.8%

Numbers courtesy of tradingeconomics.com

Those enough facts for you? I'll let you figure out which set of numbers is better, and maybe you'll realize the issues they're both currently facing are similar in name only, and not numbers.
 
JustTheTip said:
Posts like these are what terrifies me as a parent. You either didn't read what I posted, or you lack the cognitive abilities to figure out what I said. I can't tell if you're that dogmatic about your political/social views, or if you just don't/can't reason.

1) I repeat, I never referred to "countries". I only referred to Venezuela, even using personal, singular pronouns hoping to get the point across. I figured a teacher would be able to recognize that. Guess I was wrong. I am only talking about Venezuela.

2) I did use facts. You failed to respond to them. Now you may ignore them, but that doesn't change the fact that they are facts. Another reason I would be terrified to have my children taught by you.

3) I didn't compare Saudi Arabia and Venezuela bc they are different situations, with many complex details that factor into their situations. However, since you keep on bringing it up, let's compare them.

Saudi Arabia:
Inflation Rate: 1.7
CPI: 136.8
Food Inflation: -4.3
Producer Prices: 160.80
Producer Prices Change: 3.7
Inflation Rate Mom: -0.5
Cpi Transportation: 121.1
Govt Debt to GDP: 5.9%
Food inflation: -4.3%

Venezuela:
inflation Rate: 800
Inflation Rate Mom: 8.7
CPI: 2146.1
Core Consumer Prices: 594.3
Core Inflation Rate: 60.3
Food Inflation: 315
CPI Transportation: 1995.1
Govt Debt to GDP: 49.8%

Numbers courtesy of tradingeconomics.com

Those enough facts for you? I'll let you figure out which set of numbers is better, and maybe you'll realize the issues they're both currently facing are similar in name only, and not numbers.
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No one here claimed that those two countries were the exact same. I think you should review the posts in this thread, take a xanax, and post again when you are finally capable of civil discourse.

Let's remember, you started this with your post of

"Yay Socialism!"

Most of us have refuted that socialism can and is successful in a variety of other locations. That in Venezuela things are a bit more complicated. We have showed that there are other factors involved. Their devaluing of their currency along with the rise and fall of oil prices have been influencing their country for decades despite the type of government they've had.
So you seem to be admitting now that there are other factors despite your overly simplistic and juvenile post at the start of this thread.

So I'm glad at least now we are arriving at a consensus on that.
 
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Nor did I say anywhere that they were the same. I simply said you kept on comparing them, so I further completed YOUR comparison with facts. Now that's another post that you've failed to come close to responding to anything I said. I don't see the point in continuing if you refuse to listen.
 
JustTheTip said:
Nor did I say anywhere that they were the same. I simply said you kept on comparing them, so I further completed YOUR comparison with facts. Now that's another post that you've failed to come close to responding to anything I said. I don't see the point in continuing if you refuse to listen.
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Sigh.

You're right, I have no idea why you continue to post. Remember, you were the one who insinuated that Venezuela's problems are the results of "yay socialism!"

I think most of us have refuted that point thoroughly enough despite your obsession with Saudi Arabia.
 
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Stoked said:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/04/20/world/venezuela-unknown-woman-protests-trnd/
https://www.npr.org/2017/04/19/524751554/clashes-erupt-at-anti-government-protests-in-venezuela

Looks like the population there has reached their tipping point. It is going violent and people are starting to die in the protests and riots.

One woman even pulled a Tiananmen Square moment. Walked out in front of an armored truck and stopped it in its tracks. They're calling her "La Dama"
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meanwhile The United nations and obummer and their fellow globalist applauded venezuela for implementing a massive gun ban!
the government took all guns, with massive aplaud from obummer and his united nations minions!

maduro gave 100.000 guns to his loyalist. and is about to give another 400.000 to his loyalist! meaning these people who want to protest. are now up agains tthe police force, the army and about 500.000 left wing socialized loylaist militia!


what is Barrack " ooh noos climate chancge" obama doing now?
burning more co2 in a month than i will in 10 lifetimes

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remember this next time when you guys argue "gun Ban" "gun control", "Gun Safety" or whatever new marketing name you guys think off for banning guns!

all these evil politicians and globalist united nations don't give a **** about you! when will you learn!
if you aplaud a country for giving up its gun. when it's time to pick em up again, these people are nowhere to be found. they just go on living in luxury surrounded by ARMED guards.

gun control advocates are either really stoopidly naive or extremely EVIL!


i have learned not to pity these fools. 95% of these people i don't pity. had a friend who lived in venezuela, he had a gun in 2012 it came time to give it to the government. he was like no why would i his family and friends called him evil. because he was not thinking about death children! he was shunned for not supporting gun control by 95-99% of people he knew in the end he budged and gave up his gun! but he saw the writing on the wall and got the HELL OUT of dodge.

so call me stone hearted! but i don't give a **** about 95-99% of these people they brought it upon themselves. by supporting gun control and letting **** get this far! maybe now they will realize how important life, liberty,property and self defense are!


maybe they will learn through suffering
 
I had a food crisis today. Got home and found out the pizza was cold. Grrr.
 
Stoked said:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/...ave-off-hunger-amid-mounting-food-crisis.html

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article131778819.html

Apparently the food crisis there has gotten so bad that people are starting to kill and eat animals. Dogs, cats, donkeys...even giant anteaters and flamingos. Scavenging for anything discarded to try and eat.

That's crazy. At what point does it turn out of control violent? Will the world allow it to continue to head south or will it try to send in troops and supplies?
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Obama and Hillary and Bernie all believed Venezuela was the way we should go.

Trying to point that out to fake liberals loafing over their beer enjoying their sunset over the bay is like trying to tell them about Martians and moon people dressed like Pilgrims. Laugh, guffaw, they think it can't touch them.

In Venezuela, the govt went absolute "socialist" and stopped every kind of productive human effort, while cornering all the assets in the accounts of the few really significant people.

This is the future of the worlde after George Soros runs his mobs to destabilize one country after another and set people at war with one another over a few scraps.

Lord Cecil Rhodes, the intellectual father of the United Nations and world management, fully intended to reduce human populations, particularly in Africa and the Third World. He was the quintessential elitist, the role model of the like of Maurice Strong, David Rockefeller, Prince Phillip, and a thousand other self-adoring idealists prattling socialism to the masses while picking their collective pockets.
 
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