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Walker Kessler Should No Longer Play Until KO is Traded

I like Kessler, but remember he hasn't played that many clutch minutes against good teams. Not saying he cannot perform there, but those stats are a bit inflated by the fact that he plays vs bench players like 60% of his minutes or something like that.

With that being said, Vando is not impressing me atm. Maybe go oversized on the frontcourt and have Markkanen guard one of the shiftier guards hoping he doesn't get burned too badly. My only concern is that Vando and Kessler are not interchangeable, and KO/Lauri has to come out for Kessler to work.

I will be disappointed if we dont give him high value minutes soon enough though. I wanna see how he fairs there.
 
HermanG said:
I like Kessler, but remember he hasn't played that many clutch minutes against good teams. Not saying he cannot perform there, but those stats are a bit inflated by the fact that he plays vs bench players like 60% of his minutes or something like that.

With that being said, Vando is not impressing me atm. Maybe go oversized on the frontcourt and have Markkanen guard one of the shiftier guards hoping he doesn't get burned too badly. My only concern is that Vando and Kessler are not interchangeable, and KO/Lauri has to come out for Kessler to work.

I will be disappointed if we dont give him high value minutes soon enough though. I wanna see how he fairs there.
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Well, Kessler is a bench player, so the comparisons and stats are apt. If anything it shows he needs more time against the 1st units because his advanced and per 36 stats do not sound like a bench player, they look like a starter caliber player. So he needs more of those minutes to really see what he is capable of. Or not, as the case may be. But either way, they need to play him more. It is win-win for us, either he helps us win games or he helps the tank.
 
the fact dok is averaging 18, 16 and 4 on 83% FGs (better than kessler in everything but blocks) should show anybody how useful per 36 numbers are for people who don't play anywhere near 36 minutes.

don't get me wrong. i like kessler, i like what he's done as a rookie and i was bullish on him coming out of auburn. but per 36 numbers for somebody who only plays 14 minutes just don't paint the most accurate picture.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
the fact dok is averaging 18, 16 and 4 on 83% FGs (better than kessler in everything but blocks) should show anybody how useful per 36 numbers are for people who don't play anywhere near 36 minutes.

don't get me wrong. i like kessler, i like what he's done as a rookie and i was bullish on him coming out of auburn. but per 36 numbers for somebody who only plays 14 minutes just don't paint the most accurate picture.
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There is a huge difference. Dok is only a 20 minute sample size while Kessler is playing real minutes.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t know those two back door alley ups last night were ****ing sick and we weren’t doing much after that.
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He should be figuring out that stuff in the G League... where guards are always looking to setup bigs... this nba experience is completely dumb.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
the fact dok is averaging 18, 16 and 4 on 83% FGs (better than kessler in everything but blocks) should show anybody how useful per 36 numbers are for people who don't play anywhere near 36 minutes.

don't get me wrong. i like kessler, i like what he's done as a rookie and i was bullish on him coming out of auburn. but per 36 numbers for somebody who only plays 14 minutes just don't paint the most accurate picture.
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Come on man. Dok’s 20 mins in 5 games of blowout time is nowhere near the same.

I have no doubts Kessler would average a double-double with a couple blocks per game if he was getting 30+ minutes.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Come on man. Dok’s 20 mins in 5 games of blowout time is nowhere near the same.

I have no doubts Kessler would average a double-double with a couple blocks per game if he was getting 30+ minutes.
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This. For per 36 you have to just ignore anyone who played in fewer than half the available games. But we are far enough in to start making some conclusions about players based on stats like these, and they all point to the need to play Kessler more.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
the fact dok is averaging 18, 16 and 4 on 83% FGs (better than kessler in everything but blocks) should show anybody how useful per 36 numbers are for people who don't play anywhere near 36 minutes.

don't get me wrong. i like kessler, i like what he's done as a rookie and i was bullish on him coming out of auburn. but per 36 numbers for somebody who only plays 14 minutes just don't paint the most accurate picture.
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Would love to see Dok get some actually run. I get that we didnt make the investment in keeping him long-term though so I doubt that happens until we really turn the tank on and play the deep bench players.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Come on man. Dok’s 20 mins in 5 games of blowout time is nowhere near the same.

I have no doubts Kessler would average a double-double with a couple blocks per game if he was getting 30+ minutes.
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To be fair i think dok would too


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Elizah Huge said:
Come on man. Dok’s 20 mins in 5 games of blowout time is nowhere near the same.

I have no doubts Kessler would average a double-double with a couple blocks per game if he was getting 30+ minutes.
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of course it's not the same. that goes without saying. i'm simply illustrating a point. per 36 falls short whether the player is playing 14 minutes a game or 2 minutes a game.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
He averaged 10 and 8 in 20 minutes a game last March. Per 36, that's about 18 and 16, tbh. so increase the sample, his production is about the same.

2.8 fouls per game. that's about 4 fouls if he were playing 30 minutes. and it's a double double.
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Yes and averaging 4.2 fouls per game would be second in the entire league behind Olynyk.
 
Elizah Huge said:
I don’t dude is a fouling machine.
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Based on what sample size? I haven't even really seen him play in the nba.
FWIW (not much) he is averaging 1.8 fouls per game per 36 this season.
Kessler on the other hand is averaging 4.3 fouls per game per 36.
Udoka is averaging 4.6 for his career. Plus the minutes he gets (garbage minutes) and knowing he doesn't need to worry about foul trouble might have an effect. Like if he thought he might need to go 30 minutes then maybe he changes the style of play. Probably wants to try to hard to make an impact and show what he can do in his 5 minutes of garbage time so he tries to swat everything.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Yes and averaging 4.2 fouls per game would be second in the entire league behind Olynyk.
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Kessler is averaging a similar number of fouls per game if he were to get a lot more minutes fwiw.
And its still a double double of 18 points and 16 rebounds even if he gets 4 plus fouls. The discussion was about if Dok could average a double double if he got the minutes. I think he could. And he might get a bunch of fouls as well.
 
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