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infection said:
There are plenty of unfounded laws. See EMTALA.
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Strengthens my argument, not yours. A law is worthless if it isn't funded. Therefore, the democratic process has been obstructed by those who refuse to fund laws passed by democracy.

Repubs didn't have the votes to repeal and replace Obamacare. But Trump has the executive order to cut its funding. The democratic process is being obstructed. Remember when repubs hated executive orders? What happened to that? Their hate of deficits and executive orders sure went up in smoke pretty fast.
 
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LogGrad98 said:
The mention of pharmaceuticals reminds me that this is where we should start. We should pass laws that require the pharmaceutical companies to charge in America no more than the lowest cost they charge in any European or Asian country. My son was on a medication that in the US supposedly cost us about $400 per month. In germany that same medication cost a little over $20 euros per month. I asked if that was the insurance negotiated rate and his neurologist looked at me like I was crazy. He said no that is the cost. The insurance covers it since it was necessary so we paid like 5 euros or something as out co-pay. Now how do they get away with that ****? Charge us $400 per month in the US, 20 bucks in the EU. That **** has got to change. They know that the medical system here is broken so it is the wild west in terms of what different medical entities can charge, hence the hospitals that charge $100 for a single dose of ibuprofen. It is a joke. Not a very funny one though.
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Germany negotiates directly with pharmaceuticals to set the price. They work for a fair price to help their nonprofit insurance companies stay afloat and to help protect their citizens from being ripped off.

We legally cannot negotiate. We were sold a bad bag of goods. Supposedly the "free market" was going to work and the invisible hand would grant us all cheaper prices... Instead, insurance is being ripped off who pass the price onto customers. It would be nice if our government looked out for people instead of shareholders and Big Pharm lobbyists.

This is why we need to get business out of government.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...rmaceutical-lobbyists-medicare-part-d-prices/
 
The Thriller said:
Every industrialized nation has acquiesced to the idea that nobody directly pays for their healthcare and FORCE 3rd parties to handle it. That's clearly not the problem. I have no problem with force as long as the government does it on my behalf and is pointed towards others

Have you read "An American Illness" by Elisabeth Rosenthal?
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FIXED it you nazi!

just like nazi germany did in the 30's and 40's!
 
LogGrad98 said:
The mention of pharmaceuticals reminds me that this is where we should start. We should pass laws that require the pharmaceutical companies to charge in America no more than the lowest cost they charge in any European or Asian country. My son was on a medication that in the US supposedly cost us about $400 per month. In germany that same medication cost a little over $20 euros per month. I asked if that was the insurance negotiated rate and his neurologist looked at me like I was crazy. He said no that is the cost. The insurance covers it since it was necessary so we paid like 5 euros or something as out co-pay. Now how do they get away with that ****? Charge us $400 per month in the US, 20 bucks in the EU. That **** has got to change. They know that the medical system here is broken so it is the wild west in terms of what different medical entities can charge, hence the hospitals that charge $100 for a single dose of ibuprofen. It is a joke. Not a very funny one though.
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You and I sound like the exact same person lately. I've said the same thing, with mention that this would shift the cost burden onto all the more socialist countries that some here want to compare us to. I think this fix would make us one of the least costly healthcare systems in the developed world. No numbers to back that up but just a hunch. The money has to come from somewhere and currently that is out of American pockets.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya, **** insurance.
It's a criminal interprise tbh.

As for the union aspect..... I wonder why the company (management) would want our insurance to skyrocket. What do they get out of that?

Seems like the company and union wouldn't have any beef with capping the insurance.

I can't imagine that the union was at negotiations asking for an increase limit and the company not willing to allow that. Unless the company were just being dicks.

Wonder why there is no limit for 2018. Wonder who wanted that outcome in the negotiations and why.
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Republicans just want to say they killed Obamacare

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Red said:
Anybody here from the Netherlands? Looks like the Dutch have a good healthcare system. Said to be a model for the US to follow...Really.

https://www.umhs-sk.org/blog/health...system-similar-to-obamacare-is-model-for-usa/

Hmm. This is an interesting point:

" Dutch citizens and residents are fined if they do not sign up for mandatory health insurance."

Yeah, sounds like the Dutch have a highly rated system. Hmm, mandatory. Is that similar to forced?
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yes mandatory/forced!

what can you do. the government has a bigger gun than me. at the moment i am not in holland. i travel a lot these days!

but so what if government forces it and i am forced to take it!


i DO NOT WANT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

i did pay the fine for a few years.
then i did apply for an exception to not pay it.
then i left the coutnry then i got back, so i had ot re-aply. then the fine was more expensive than the healthcare. so i took it for a few motnsh. then i left again!

**** government pointing a gun at people and FORCING THEM. those goddammed marxist and nazi-germnas who mad euniversal mandatory forced slavery healthcare a law!
 
Red said:
Anybody here from the Netherlands? Looks like the Dutch have a good healthcare system. Said to be a model for the US to follow...Really.

https://www.umhs-sk.org/blog/health...system-similar-to-obamacare-is-model-for-usa/

Hmm. This is an interesting point:

" Dutch citizens and residents are fined if they do not sign up for mandatory health insurance."

Yeah, sounds like the Dutch have a highly rated system. Hmm, mandatory. Is that similar to forced?
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Don't feed the idiotic troll. Just ignore the static. He'd go away if people just ignored him. Don't let him derail a fine thread with intelligent and engaging posts. I don't want to sift through page after page of block post after blocked post and people's replies to his nonsense.
 
The Thriller said:
Don't feed the idiotic troll. Just ignore the static. He'd go away if people just ignored him. Don't let him derail a fine thread with intelligent and engaging posts. I don't want to sift through page after page of block post after blocked post and people's replies to his nonsense.
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lol classic fascism right here!
 
Ummmmmm. Someone doesn't understand basic economics.

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And

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The Thriller said:
Ummmmmm. Someone doesn't understand basic economics.

[tweet]919160558712172544[/tweet]

And

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comming from a commi socialist. who does not understand free market capitalism! i would try and explain both tweets. but marxist never sem to understand the free market
 
The Thriller said:
Ummmmmm. Someone doesn't understand basic economics.
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i will try and explain


if tomorrow i force everyone to buy nokia phone. nokia stocks will go up. because they will sel more phone. which means their revenue and profit goes up. so their stock goes up! and after 2 years the law forcing people to buy nokia goes away. guess what! stocks go down. simple economics
that is the 1st tweet



the 2nd tweet.
government laws regulaitions and mandates drive up the price. let's take schools nokia for example. if nokia want people to buy their phone. and got government to mandate it. they dont need price control or quality control.
if their is no government mandate for you to buy nokia. how do they get you to buy their phone. by being better and or cheaper than the competition. so nokia and their competition have incentive to improve their product and or be cheaper than their competition.


simple economics 101.

but marxist dont see the obvious: that nazi germany,venezuela, north korea is their socialist policy in action, that wasnt real socialism! MUH SOCIALISM!
 
Canada's:

It's basically Medicare but for everyone instead of the elderly. This is my 2nd favorite choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TPr3h-UDA0
 
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Germany's:

Personally, i think the US could adapt rather quickly to Germany's. This would be my first choice honestly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdarqEbDeV0
 
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DutchJazzer said:
no surprise coming from a socialist!

take the healthcare Hitler instituted! while calling trump and his supporters nazis! clasic projection
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The problem with the way you present your position is that there is zero room for discussion or compromise. It is either FULL CHOICE and ONLY FULL CHOICE with ZERO government intervention in any way, or it is from the NAZIS and EVIL. That is not the way the world works. Even if we had systems much closer to that people would disagree on how that choice was to be enacted. You VASTLY over-simplify and actual discuss nothing. That is why you are not taken seriously. If you could present an argument that getting CLOSER to full choice is preferable and how we could do that and what the pros and cons are (yes believe it or not EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM that exists has cons) then you would get more discussion around your ideas. As it is, it is very hard to take you seriously when you take the black or white, all or nothing approach.
 
LogGrad98 said:
The problem with the way you present your position is that there is zero room for discussion or compromise. It is either FULL CHOICE and ONLY FULL CHOICE with ZERO government intervention in any way, or it is from the NAZIS and EVIL. That is not the way the world works. Even if we had systems much closer to that people would disagree on how that choice was to be enacted. You VASTLY over-simplify and actual discuss nothing. That is why you are not taken seriously. If you could present an argument that getting CLOSER to full choice is preferable and how we could do that and what the pros and cons are (yes believe it or not EVERY SINGLE SYSTEM that exists has cons) then you would get more discussion around your ideas. As it is, it is very hard to take you seriously when you take the black or white, all or nothing approach.
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yeah. i decided to use the own game on them. heard that from thembeing against illegal imigration = hitler.
zero discussion right! and hitler was not against illegal imigration or immmigration. he gased citizens and non citizens alike!


been called Hitler enough times. HITLER IS LEFT WING, 99% of his policies are left wing!


so time for payback! socialism leads to missery
 
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