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Warriors and Jazz Mega Trade

bluenote said:
Anyone find a good B. Rush highlight reel? Also any reports on where he is in his recovery or if he will ever be the same as he was before?
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2011 was his best year in the NBA. A second ACL is usually bad news for a player that relies on athleticism but shouldn't effect Rush, whose offensive game is 80% reliant on jumpers.
 
I am glad jack and Carl left but I am confident with all the cap they now have they will sign guys like Elton brand and beno udrih to round out their bench.
 
steelers6timechamps said:
went threw the posts and cant find my answer can some body tell me how many second round picks the jazz got in this deal? I hear several. thanks have a nice day.
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The trib guys are reporting that it is 3 second round picks. Have not seen years, other than what PKM said earlier about them being 14 and 17
 
Gegenläufigen said:
yeah but that still counts towards tax right

not sure how much money their owner wants to spend

especially with how much tax hurts if you go into it for consecutiv eyears
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If I understood correctly, we also threw in trade exceptions - plural - as part of this deal as well. But I could be wrong.
 
leftyjace said:
If I understood correctly, we also threw in trade exceptions - plural - as part of this deal as well. But I could be wrong.
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You can't 'give' trade exceptions. Trade exceptions are created when a team trades out more salary than they bring back. Exceptions apply to the salaries of individual players and cannot be combined for use in future transactions (so the Warriors have trade exceptions for $4, million, $9 million and ~$11 million, not ~$24 million). You can't use trade exceptions to sign players, only to absorb salary in a trade.

Also, the Warriors are sitting right at the cap now and I believe only have their bi-annual exception and no mid-level exception since they were below the cap and aren't granted a full mid-level under that circumstance. They can also sign minimum contract players but that should be it. That is, IIRC and if my mental math checks out.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You can't 'give' trade exceptions. Trade exceptions are created when a team trades out more salary than they bring back. Exceptions apply to the salaries of individual players and cannot be combined for use in future transactions (so the Warriors have trade exceptions for $4, million, $9 million and ~$11 million, not ~$24 million). You can't use trade exceptions to sign players, only to absorb salary in a trade.

Also, the Warriors are sitting right at the cap now and I believe only have their bi-annual exception and no mid-level exception since they were below the cap and aren't granted a full mid-level under that circumstance. They can also sign minimum contract players but that should be it. That is, IIRC and if my mental math checks out.
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This is correct.
 
NUMBERICA said:
You can't 'give' trade exceptions. Trade exceptions are created when a team trades out more salary than they bring back. Exceptions apply to the salaries of individual players and cannot be combined for use in future transactions (so the Warriors have trade exceptions for $4, million, $9 million and ~$11 million, not ~$24 million). You can't use trade exceptions to sign players, only to absorb salary in a trade.

Also, the Warriors are sitting right at the cap now and I believe only have their bi-annual exception and no mid-level exception since they were below the cap and aren't granted a full mid-level under that circumstance. They can also sign minimum contract players but that should be it. That is, IIRC and if my mental math checks out.
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Good point. WE gave them Murphy so I think that $$M exception is reduced accordingly, right? But if GS IS under the cap, they'd likely be willing to take on players from other teams. Fortunately, since we stripped them of so many picks and expiring contracts, they don't have much to offer as a trading partner.
 
Just want to say I've wanted him on the jazz for the longest time from his days in Indiana. If his knee comes back strong, he's not just some role player. He's a bonified starter or sixth man that plays starter minutes. His offense is not just 80% jumpers like someone mentioned earlier, and is an above average perimeter defender.

He's got a nasty streak in him that this team needs. If he recovers fully, then we just raped the Warriors hard core!
 
Yeah, I like Brandon Rush and have since he played for Indiana. They totally screwed the pooch letting him go and I thought so at the time.
 
Core4 said:
Ummm...I think Numby was talking about when Rush played for the Pacers.
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Hence the snicker at the bottom of pkm post
 
Getting Rush and the 2nd round pick really sent the trade into the major win column for the Jazz.

Brandon Rush was a perfect asset to acquire, because whatever they do with him is a good decision. If he comes back healthy from the ACL and plays well, they can trade him at the deadline for another draft asset and a bigger expiring contract from a contender looking for a gritty wing player before their playoff run. Or, they can let him finish the season and resign him for a fair contract and have him as a bench leader behind the core 5. Or if they just let his contract run out, then it's $4 million more to add to the cap for next year. There's no wrong answer with him. He can be an asset, a long-term option or an expiring.

My guess is that they'll flip him for a pick and another contract at the deadline, giving them 3 in 2014 or 2 in 2015. I'm hoping he comes back healthy and plays well enough off the bench that he merits serious trade assets. I like the game-plan so far, and I love what Lindsey can do with multiple picks.
 
Ellis269 said:
Getting Rush and the 2nd round pick really sent the trade into the major win column for the Jazz.

Brandon Rush was a perfect asset to acquire, because whatever they do with him is a good decision. If he comes back healthy from the ACL and plays well, they can trade him at the deadline for another draft asset and a bigger expiring contract from a contender looking for a gritty wing player before their playoff run. Or, they can let him finish the season and resign him for a fair contract and have him as a bench leader behind the core 5. Or if they just let his contract run out, then it's $4 million more to add to the cap for next year. There's no wrong answer with him. He can be an asset, a long-term option or an expiring.

My guess is that they'll flip him for a pick and another contract at the deadline, giving them 3 in 2014 or 2 in 2015. I'm hoping he comes back healthy and plays well enough off the bench that he merits serious trade assets. I like the game-plan so far, and I love what Lindsey can do with multiple picks.
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Someone's done a complete 180!!!
 
Zulu said:
Someone's done a complete 180!!!
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It's a good point - but to be fair - at the time of my initial disappointment, I did think that Golden State was trying to make room for Dwight Howard. If that was the case, then the Jazz should have held out for Barnes. Since they weren't clearing cap for Dwight (because he was going to sign with Houston) and Iggy was their alternative, it's very clear that neither Barnes, nor Bogut were on the table. The Jazz clearly got the best deal that was available (and then some.)

Two 1st round picks for taking on Biedrins and Jefferson sounds about right, but to then also work Brandon Rush and multiple 2nd round picks into the deal was masterful. Had the Lakers traded Dwight to Golden State for Barnes, Bogut and assets, I would have been less enthusiastic. After seeing how everything ended up playing out, there's no doubt that the Jazz won this trade. And possibly crushed it since both 1st round picks are unprotected.
 
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