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NotDeadYet said:
The Blazers... I say make Batum a solid offer, at least to make them sweat a bit up in Portland:cool:
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unless we pull off a major cost-saving trade, then I don't think we can offer the $$$ to make Portland wince in the slightest.
 
NAOS said:
unless we pull off a major cost-saving trade, then I don't think we can offer the $$$ to make Portland wince in the slightest.
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At this point, it doesn't even matter if we cut salary in a trade. Using our TPE in the trade for Mo means we won't be able to use any cap space this year.

The most we have to offer is the amount of the MLE, which is 5 million.
 
freakazoid said:
At this point, it doesn't even matter if we cut salary in a trade. Using our TPE in the trade for Mo means we won't be able to use any cap space this year.

The most we have to offer is the amount of the MLE, which is 5 million.
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#VoiceOfReason
 
freakazoid said:
At this point, it doesn't even matter if we cut salary in a trade. Using our TPE in the trade for Mo means we won't be able to use any cap space this year.

The most we have to offer is the amount of the MLE, which is 5 million.
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We can trade Harris or Jefferson.
The TPE wasn't going to influence anything. Say we wanted to sign a guy like Batum to an offer. We'd first have to get the player to agree to an inflated amount that a team would likely not match. Then get under the cap by that amount, which would likely involve renouncing the TPE. And then what happens if the offer is matched? Jazz are left without the player they wanted and without the TPE.

We got a starter and he's a good asset as a player and, if the season unravels due to injuries or whatever, Mo is also an expiring contract. There are going to be a number of teams interested in Harris or Mo at the deadline (provided we still have both of them). Chicago would have given a king's ransom for a quality PG after Rose went down. OKC gave us good value for Ronnie Brewer. I'll bet we can get a 1st at minimum from a contender or a decent veteran from a team looking to rebuild or dump salary due to the new luxury tax rules.
 
GlassEater said:
We can trade Harris or Jefferson.
The TPE wasn't going to influence anything. Say we wanted to sign a guy like Batum to an offer. We'd first have to get the player to agree to an inflated amount that a team would likely not match. Then get under the cap by that amount, which would likely involve renouncing the TPE. And then what happens if the offer is matched? Jazz are left without the player they wanted and without the TPE.
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I'll be honest. I have no idea what you're talking about.

My point was this. Utah would have had to renounce the TPE to claim any cap space. Since we have used the TPE, it doesn't matter now whether or not we trade Al or Harris. The CBA does not allow teams to use their exceptions and then try to claim cap space.
 
freakazoid said:
I'll be honest. I have no idea what you're talking about.

My point was this. Utah would have had to renounce the TPE to claim any cap space. Since we have used the TPE, it doesn't matter now whether or not we trade Al or Harris. The CBA does not allow teams to use their exceptions and then try to claim cap space.
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Where are you getting this from? I could be wrong but I've never heard of cap exceptions working in reverse (that's why they're called exceptions). TIA.
 
Can someone explain to me, after all the firings of GMs, etc, etc, the Blazers have come out once again on top of the Jazz (and we have arguably one of the best GM in KOC)?

PG - Lillard (vs Harris - advantage UTA)
SG - Matthews (vs Burks - advantage POR)
SF - Batum (vs Hayward - advantage EVEN)
PF - Aldridge (vs Favors - advantage EVEN)
C - Hibbert (vs Jefferson - advantage POR)

That team is scary and will beat us hands down for at least the next year.

Rep will be given to the best answer that doesn't involve "They just have more money" as we're all in even playing field with the new hard cap.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Can someone explain to me, after all the firings of GMs, etc, etc, the Blazers have come out once again on top of the Jazz (and we have arguably one of the best GM in KOC)?

PG - Lillard (vs Harris - advantage UTA)
SG - Matthews (vs Burks - advantage POR)
SF - Batum (vs Hayward - advantage EVEN)
PF - Aldridge (vs Favors - advantage EVEN)
C - Hibbert (vs Jefferson - advantage POR)

That team is scary and will beat us hands down for at least the next year.

Rep will be given to the best answer that doesn't involve "They just have more money" as we're all in even playing field with the new hard cap.
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On paper is different than actually doing it. Also, having a bench is pretty important.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Can someone explain to me, after all the firings of GMs, etc, etc, the Blazers have come out once again on top of the Jazz (and we have arguably one of the best GM in KOC)?
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"Once again"?? Well in the past 10 seasons, the Jazz have more overall wins (+42), more playoff appearances (6 to 4), more playoff wins (21 to 9), and more playoff series wins (4 to 0), so with the lone exception of front loading a contract for Wes Matthews - I'm not sure how the Blazers have been repeatedly spanking our front office in recent years unless you're talking about that time in 2005 they fleeced us by trading us the #3 pick so they could end up with Martell Webster, Ricky Sanchez and Joel Freeland and we got stuck with Deron Williams...but yeah, the half dozen GM's they've hired and fired during that stretch have been putting the hammer on KOC.

Their superior lineup that apparently has you shaking in your boots has won exactly zero games together. The game's played on the court.
 
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vslice02 said:
"Once again"?? Well in the past 10 seasons, the Jazz have more overall wins (+42), more playoff appearances (6 to 4), more playoff wins (21 to 9), and more playoff series wins (4 to 0), so with the lone exception of front loading a contract for Wes Matthews - I'm not sure how the Blazers have been repeatedly spanking our front office in recent years unless you're talking about that time they fleeced us in trading us the #3 pick in 2005 so they could end up with Martell Webster, Ricky Sanchez and Joel Freeland and we got stuck with Deron Williams...but yeah, the half dozen GM's they've hired and fired during that stretch have been putting the hammer on KOC.
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Yep, once again, Blazers always manage to put together a nice looking team on paper, but they never perform when it matters.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Yep, once again, Blazers always manage to put together a nice looking team on paper, but they never perform when it matters.
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Agreed. While we're talking about how great "on paper" rosters can look, look at how bright the Blazers future looked in 2008-09... two franchise 2nd-year players in LaMarcus Aldrige (#2 overall) and Brandon Roy (6th overall) and 4 promising rookies Greg Oden (#1 overall), Jerryd Bayless (#11 overall), Rudy Fernandez (24th overall) and Nicolas Batum (25th overall). 4 years and no playoff series wins later, only 2 of those 6 are still on the roster.
 
vslice02 said:
"once again"?? Well in the past 10 seasons, the jazz have more overall wins (+42), more playoff appearances (6 to 4), more playoff wins (21 to 9), and more playoff series wins (4 to 0), so with the lone exception of front loading a contract for wes matthews - i'm not sure how the blazers have been repeatedly spanking our front office in recent years unless you're talking about that time in 2005 they fleeced us by trading us the #3 pick so they could end up with martell webster, ricky sanchez and joel freeland and we got stuck with deron williams...but yeah, the half dozen gm's they've hired and fired during that stretch have been putting the hammer on koc.

Their superior lineup that apparently has you shaking in your boots has won exactly zero games together. The game's played on the court.
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Finish Him!!!
 
vslice02 said:
Agreed. While we're talking about how great "on paper" rosters can look, look at how bright the Blazers future looked in 2008-09... two franchise 2nd-year players in LaMarcus Aldrige (#2 overall) and Brandon Roy (6th overall) and 4 promising rookies Greg Oden (#1 overall), Jerryd Bayless (#11 overall), Rudy Fernandez (24th overall) and Nicolas Batum (25th overall). 4 years and no playoff series wins later, only 2 of those 6 are still on the roster.
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It's crazy thinking back, I 100% thought that they were going to be what OKC is now. I remember being so mad when Bayless fell to them at #11 (a ton of mocks had the Sonics taking him at #3). Lol!
 
franklin said:
Where are you getting this from? I could be wrong but I've never heard of cap exceptions working in reverse (that's why they're called exceptions). TIA.
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I was under the impression that once Utah entered the offseason, they had to choose between cap space and using their exceptions. Right now, I can't find anything to back that up for certain, only this. My apologies to GE if I'm wrong.

There is logic behind this. The whole idea behind an "exception" is that it is an exception to the rule which says a team cannot go over the salary cap. In other words, an exception is a mechanism which allows a team to function above the cap. If a team isn't over the cap, then the concept of an exception is moot. Therefore, if a team's team salary ever drops this far, its exceptions go away. A rule of thumb is that a team may have either exceptions or cap room, but it can't have both at the same time. However, a team in this situation does qualify to use the Room Mid-Level exception (see question number 25).
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https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q26
 
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