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We should move on from George Hill

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Wes Mantooth said:
For those of you advocating re-signing Hill (and Hayward of course), please financially spell out the financials for each player next year and the year after, and how we'd fill out the rest of our team with player and accompanying contract examples.
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The draft
 
Let's say Hayward starts at 35 next year and Hill 25 and we opt out of Boris.

We're sitting at 128M. That's 7M over the LT and doesn't even get into re-signing Ingles.

So we trot out the same exact team minus Ingles, with Hill a year older, and we're gonna overtake the Dubs.

Let's say Hayward opts in so his 16+ figure for next season holds. We are still at 109M and could then re-sign Ingles to bring us right to the LT. But our team is the same and we're still not overtaking the Dubs. And then Hayward's number increases like crazy the year after and Favors, Exum, Johnson and company all come off, thus making us really, really thin.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let's say Hayward starts at 35 next year and Hill 25 and we opt out of Boris.

We're sitting at 128M. That's 7M over the LT and doesn't even get into re-signing Ingles.

So we trot out the same exact team minus Ingles, with Hill a year older, and we're gonna overtake the Dubs.
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Better chance than not signing Hill and getting Patty ****ing Mills.

Newsflash bud: The Jazz are always going to be the underdog to the Warriors.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's just insane to me that people want to forget about Hill in the Clippers series just because Hill missed the GSW series.
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What were his numbers in the clippers series?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You dont think Rudy Gobert on a rookie contract helped out a **** ton this year? He was Ok, right?
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He's not a rookie. He's on his rookie contract. But sure, let's bank on rookies once they hit their 4th year (like Rudy this season) and Hill is 35 years old. I'm sure that'll work well.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
For those of you advocating re-signing Hill (and Hayward of course), please financially spell out the financials for each player next year and the year after, and how we'd fill out the rest of our team with player and accompanying contract examples.
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Saint Cy of JFC said:
The draft
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mmhmm
Wes Mantooth said:
So a bunch of rookies are going to be the key 3-4 pieces to help us win it all. Got it.
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ok.

and, then....
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You dont think Rudy Gobert on a rookie contract helped out a **** ton this year? He was Ok, right?
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RIP Wes
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
So the result is the same of signing Hill or Mills. If we are willing to pay LT, then it doesnt make sense to not sign Hill and target target those mid-priced options.
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Don't you pay more luxury tax money the higher the team salary is though? I think there is a difference.
 
I love how those advocating for retaining Hill (@30M in Cy's case) fail to actually spell out a detailed financial plan for our team, player by player. It's all just Monopoly money and we don't need a solid bench I guess.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let's say Hayward starts at 35 next year and Hill 25 and we opt out of Boris.

We're sitting at 128M. That's 7M over the LT and doesn't even get into re-signing Ingles.

So we trot out the same exact team minus Ingles, with Hill a year older, and we're gonna overtake the Dubs.

Let's say Hayward opts in so his 16+ figure for next season holds. We are still at 109M and could then re-sign Ingles to bring us right to the LT. But our team is the same and we're still not overtaking the Dubs. And then Hayward's number increases like crazy the year after and Favors, Exum, Johnson and company all come off, thus making us really, really thin.
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We are going to have to trade some players.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
He's not a rookie. He's on his rookie contract. But sure, let's bank on rookies once they hit their 4th year (like Rudy this season) and Hill is 35 years old. I'm sure that'll work well.
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It's kind of how you have to team build now.

The Spurs did it with Kawhi, Ginobili, and Parker (among other lesser role players)

The Warriors did it with Draymond Green.

You have to hit on these late first round picks, sometimes repeatedly, to build great teams that compete year after year.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I love how those advocating for retaining Hill (@30M in Cy's case) fail to actually spell out a detailed financial plan for our team, player by player. It's all just Monopoly money and we don't need a solid bench I guess.
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It's not my money. I have no idea what the Millers feel about paying luxury tax so I'm not going to be their financial planner. I'm detailing what makes the Jazz the best team and the best way to manage their assets to build the best team for years to come.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's kind of how you have to team build now.

The Spurs did it with Kawhi, Ginobili, and Parker (among other lesser role players)

The Warriors did it with Draymond Green.

You have to hit on these late first round picks, sometimes repeatedly, to build great teams that compete year after year.
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Those teams had transcendent talent. We don't.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Are you or me paying the luxury tax?
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How is that question relevant?
The point is that the owner of the team gets penalized more money the farther into the tax the team goes. So it's not the same signing mills to 15 million per and hill 25 million per.
Seems obvious
 
Really not in the mood to argue either. Seriously, you're a relatively smart guy, Cy.

Give me the exact moves and deals you'd do this off-season and what our cap number and team would be for next season.
 
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