LogGrad98
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Beantown
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The data is factually wrong. State's don't prove the tax credits to big oil. The federal government does.
But it is true that states do provide incentives for clean energy to improve local air and water quality.
Big oil is subisidized at an alarming rate. That also doesn't include costs such as site clean-up, impacts to fresh water and air, and on healthcare costs for citizens.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-11-12/fossil-fuels-with-550-billion-in-subsidy-hurt-renewables
But it is true that states do provide incentives for clean energy to improve local air and water quality.
Big oil is subisidized at an alarming rate. That also doesn't include costs such as site clean-up, impacts to fresh water and air, and on healthcare costs for citizens.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-11-12/fossil-fuels-with-550-billion-in-subsidy-hurt-renewables
Beantown
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Also besides poisoning our resources and our children....maybe getting off fossil fuels could help stop the largest mass extinction in our worlds history?
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/world/sutter-vanishing-help/
Think about it.....
Clean air
Clean water
Healthier children
A more beautiful world
Sustain animal and plant life
Local jobs
Energy independence
I won't even mention climate change....
The list goes on and on. When you compare the benefits of renewable energy to the destruction of fossil fuels it shouldn't even be a debate. It's ridiculous that people are still trying to prevent a better and healthier world for our children and future generations.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/world/sutter-vanishing-help/
Think about it.....
Clean air
Clean water
Healthier children
A more beautiful world
Sustain animal and plant life
Local jobs
Energy independence
I won't even mention climate change....
The list goes on and on. When you compare the benefits of renewable energy to the destruction of fossil fuels it shouldn't even be a debate. It's ridiculous that people are still trying to prevent a better and healthier world for our children and future generations.
Of course she does not. She does not want to tell you renewable energy received $7.3 billion in direct subsidies in 2013, where all fossil fuel types total "subsidies" were $3.2 billion.
Recent oil "subsidies" include $570 million in HEAP for the poor. Liberal Senator Chuck Schumer wrote a letter to Obama telling him he was dumb for trying to get rid of this. $1 billion deduction for farmers not paying tax on fuel. So what it lowers food prices an we would pay that anyway at the grocery store plus more higher sales tax. $1 billion in manufacturing tax credits that every American business gets to keep jobs from going overseas. Oil industry gets 6% on average compared to Apple gets 9%. Depletion "subsidy" oh bull crap [MENTION=54]Beantown[/MENTION] every business gets to depreciate they have to pay taxes on that oil an royalties it only makes sense to depreciate. $1 billion "subsidy" to pump oil into the national strategic oil reserve.
These are the things liberals think are subsidies they are insane.
Why do you keep going back to this? Is anyone here arguing against this?
For me they are the biggest reasons I'd like to see some changes.
Beantown
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Because this shouldn't even be a debate.
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Is it a debate?
I have not seen anyone post anything saying that they prefer dirtier air, water, etc etc.
lol, it's not. That's my point.
No one that I have seen has opposed any of the bolded items. Well except maybe Boris.
The impact of climate change and man's affect on said change is debated but that doesn't mean people are opposed to any of the items on your list.
So in short, what debate?
Beantown
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So why are we debating that we should still be using fossil fuels?
♪alt13
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Those are worldwide subsidies not US federal subsidies.
DutchJazzer
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hahaha so questioning the "settled model based science" is heresy right.
face it "man made climate change" is a religion to you! and anyone who quesitons it is a heretic and needs to be burned at the stake right
DutchJazzer
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we are debating the effects of CO2 on climate change.
♪alt13
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This. The data and its representation is being spun. Every State incentivizes business to set up shop. The State of Utah incentivizes business to come to Utah. If clean energy was a targeted industry for them, they would offer the same. In fact, Energy is a targeted industry for the State, and they incentivize it heavily.
DutchJazzer
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Graph
i can pull graphs out my *** too.
DutchJazzer
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this graph does not take into effetc changing orbit of earth. for example.
all these models lack info.
the climate is a complex thing, and we think science is settled based on models we made of this complex system.
yet most man made climate change models so far have failed, but we dont seem to call out the people out on it
♪alt13
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Please post some ****ty graph. I'm sure it will be good for a laugh.
Please tell us about the changing orbit of the earth and its effect on climate change.(pay attention to timescales)
DutchJazzer
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naah just like ll climate models failing. i will let the time pass, and get you more and more failed climate models. maybe after a few of those you will finally believe if not. whatever you are free to have your religion
♪alt13
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Willful ignorance. Yeah that sounds like your thing. enjoy
Lol of course I would.
Liberals want everything to be perfect utopia. Well guess what humans evolved in ****ty environment an are immune systems rely on bein exposed to dirt an bad air an other stuff during are development. Science has proved this. Why do you think allergies are blowing up? Seems like everyone has one these days peanut allergies, lactose intolerant, celiac disease, peach allergies, on an on. Peanut allergies never ever existed when I was a kid. How you explain the boom in autism spectrum diseases?
We evolved burning fires in are crude Home structures an are immune system evolved along side. Fires inside homes are highly "toxic" if you listen to current epidemiologists but if you give it time they will realize eating dirt an breathing dirty air keeps us alive longer.