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Welcome back to Salt Lake - Mo Williams

GlassEater said:
Perhaps it's not your summer home. Maybe you have a primary residence you really want to sell. For various reasons, you just don't want to live there any longer. You have some decent offers, but you can't sell until you have a new residence. Otherwise you may be stuck in a crappy apartment in the 'hood waiting for next year's crop of homes to become available (in this scenario, there are a limited number of truly desirable homes on the market).

So the value of getting a deal done is worth overpaying on the new home because you can now get rid of the other one.
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This is not a relevant allegory. It goes back to what I've been saying. Deals for Devin Harris are separate from deals for Mo. Getting Mo does not make dealing Harris "possible", it makes dealing Harris "less painful." That's fine and dandy so long as you got value in your deal for Mo in the first place which we didn't.
 
I have a feeling that Mo will be with the team through the whole season. I remember reading a tweet that he actually met with KOC before he made his decision. That makes me think one, he probably will be getting a lot of minutes, and two there was some understanding between the two reached(whatever that may be, who knows).
 
Wes Mantooth said:
You mean Mo I assume and it changes because any attempt to trade Harris will scream to teams that we're simply trying to unload an expiring who doesn't really have a strong place on our team any more. Especially with four points now on the roster.
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Not really. KOC always makes trades on what he perceives to be the value of the piece. If he can't get what he wants, he won't trade it. If teams actually want Harris, they can get Harris. No leverage lost because there was no leverage to begin with.
 
Broncster said:
That is assuming they could not find a team under the soft cap who wanted him or another team (which may or may not exist for both, I dont know) that has a trade exception that large enough to absorb him. I think off the top of my head Raptors might be the only other team under the cap but they are saving their money for Nash is FA. If there was no other team in a position to absorb Mo and they did not want to amnesty him then you are correct we should have gotten a solid 1st round pick for next year or future.
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I absolutely guarantee no other team that had a TPE to absorb Mo would have done it for free unless they were being run by Isiah Thomas, Billy King, Geoff Petrie, or someone of that dubious caliber. And I'm guessing there are probably 3 teams or less that even have TPE greater than 8.5 million.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Not really. KOC always makes trades on what he perceives to be the value of the piece. If he can't get what he wants, he won't trade it. If teams actually want Harris, they can get Harris. No leverage lost because there was no leverage to begin with.
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I'm perplexed at how well said that was .. please don't make me re-evaluate whether you have any purpose.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Not really. KOC always makes trades on what he perceives to be the value of the piece. If he can't get what he wants, he won't trade it. If teams actually want Harris, they can get Harris. No leverage lost because there was no leverage to begin with.
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Right. Until Harris starts to vent publicly.
 
At the end of the day, KOC probably could not get anything more. Most any GM would try to get more out of a trade, but the other two teams probably just balked. He got a bonafide player, at the expense of not giving up any other players. I do not see how that cannot be viewed as a success.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Not really. KOC always makes trades on what he perceives to be the value of the piece. If he can't get what he wants, he won't trade it. If teams actually want Harris, they can get Harris. No leverage lost because there was no leverage to begin with.
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But KOC already botched his reputation in getting fair value for Williams. Hopefully it's just an aberration. My fear is that his overestimation of what he got in the Mo deal will lead him to underestimate what he can get in a Harris deal.

When a guy pulls off the Deron and Al deals, you give him leeway. Now, I'm slightly less confident in his judgment. And his judgment is drastically more important as we try to make the leap from playoff team to contender. As much as I love KOC, the one leap he hasn't made is taking a talented team to champion.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Right. Until Harris starts to vent publicly.
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Don't forget Mo. What's he going to be like if Harris wins the starting job and his minutes get cut to 25? People seem to forget Harris is actually better than Mo, and the Harris/Mo backcourt is not likely to work like the Paul/Harris backcourt did.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
What happens when 24 minutes is knocked down to 18, in a contract year, a contract year that could be his last solid payday nonetheless?
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I really don't see Harris as the kind of guy who would publicly complain. He publicly said he lost his drive to play basketball in New Jersey, so I would worry about him just accepting his position and coasting through the season and not trying to compete to win minutes.
 
billyshelby said:
Don't forget Mo. What's he going to be like if Harris wins the starting job and his minutes get cut to 25? People seem to forget Harris is actually better than Mo, and the Harris/Mo backcourt is not likely to work like the Paul/Harris backcourt did.
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Well that is the beauty of competition. They will have to compete and hopefully they each raise their game and make the decision difficult.
 
IF a Devin deal is close AND Dallas and LA weren't willing to add anything (or if KOC thinks Mo is a longterm piece or more valuable than the TPE for future trades), then KOC may have put the Jazz in a better position than they were in before the trade. Even if other teams made out better than the Jazz, it's entirely possible that KOC maximized the value he could get in this deal AND improved the Jazz's cache of assets.

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, Billy, as I thought getting Jae Crowder would have made this deal more fair value (I doubt Shan Foster is ever being brought over), but I think you might be overstating a little.
 
We got Mo Williams. The team is now more talented without sacrificing future cap space, yet people still feel the need to nitpick. Ridiculous.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
We got Mo Williams. The team is now more talented without sacrificing future cap space, yet people still feel the need to nitpick. Ridiculous.
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Are you a pushover like this in your every day life? I hope not and doubt it. KOC shouldn't have been either. He should have demanded more than the minimum 2nd. Heck, you're telling me one of these teams wouldn't have thrown in a future 2nd which is really nothing better than the 50th pick n the draft? It would have been nice.

That said, like GVC just stated, all blunted up most likely, KOC may have felt it was the best he was gonna do with the TPE. Whatever. I forgive him. I guess.
 
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