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I feel like I usually talk too much in most of the gun threads.

To keep it simple I'm in favor of gun rights because I believe each person owns their own self and their own existence, and have the right and responsibility to determine their own outcome. Therefore each person has the right to protect their self. Firearms are an effective means of stopping things from threatening your existence.

But I'm not at all happy with current pro-gun culture. I think it has rejected the idea of personal responsibility in favor of simply asserting that guns are good and more guns are better.
 
Gameface said:
But I'm not at all happy with current pro-gun culture. I think it has rejected the idea of personal responsibility in favor of simply asserting that guns are good and more guns are better.
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While I don't necessarily agree with the latter, I do agree with the former. I'm not a fan of the fetishizing of gun culture. I hate that many folks in the gun community treat the firearm as an accessory instead of the weapon that it is. A weapon that calls for discipline and respect.

If there are a couple of people that I respect in this regard, meaning the intellectual approach to firearms, it's Jeff Cooper who is no longer with us and Hickok45 on youtube.
 
I love how the right (or in this case VO) always respond as if others want to eliminate guns. I never said that. Learn to read and infer dumbass. I said restrictions should be stronger. Background checks, like that.

I'm all for guns.
 
♪alt13 said:
How to reduce homicide (my take)

Legalize marijuana nationally
Marijuana is a huge funding source for gangs, cartels, and is a major pillar holding up black markets

Treatment instead of prison for addicts
American prisons reprogram people for the worse. Send a junkie to prison and he comes out a junkie thug

Invest in Education
Especially in poor neighborhoods. Hopeless dead end neighborhoods are nearly as bad as prison. Some are probably worse.

Mental healthcare
I'm not just talking for psychopaths and schizophrenics. The only people that have access to quality mental healthcare are the people that least need it. There are ****loads of angry, scarred, depressed, and crazy people out there with nowhere to turn for help.

Wealth distribution across race
I don't know how but we have to close the income gap between racial groups. Equal education is key but I honestly don't think it will be enough. It's hard enough to climb out of poverty for white people.

De Facto segregation
I think that de facto segregation has serious social repercussions. My thought is that we could tackle this by offering people extra down payment assistance if they move into a zip code that is underrepresented by their race(even whites). I'm not sure that this would be constitutional but if we can do it for college students why not for FHA loans.
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OU. Enough with the pour money into educatin in poor neighborhoods. Many states, including mine (NJ), already do that and it accomplishes nothing. ****ty parents are still gonna be ****ty parents and that's what the kids know.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
OU. Enough with the pour money into educatin in poor neighborhoods. Many states, including mine (NJ), already do that and it accomplishes nothing. ****ty parents are still gonna be ****ty parents and that's what the kids know.
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also evil just exist in this world, its part of free will and liberty.


i think there needs to be a statue of responsibility.
to counteract the statue of liberty.
bring symbolically "balance".

statue of liberty is a symbol across the world. but it is incomplete without a statue of responsibility.

but even with that there will still exist EVIL!
 
following the lefts logic
omg omg terrifying news. knife attack omg omg.

BAN kitchen assault knives now

A male student at University of California, Merced, stabbed four people on campus as classes began Wednesday morning and was later fatally shot by campus police, a school spokesman said.

Two of those stabbed were transported for treatment via helicopter, the school said on Twitter, while the two others were treated on campus.

"All conscious," the university tweeted about the victims.

No details were immediately available on what relationship, if any, existed between the assailant and the victims, said James Leonard, a school spokesman.

The school initially reported five people were stabbed, but later said the figure was four, said Lorena Anderson, a school spokeswoman.

School officials weren't releasing additional information on the attacker, Leonard said.

"I'm sure more information will come out on the student shortly," Leonard said of the assailant.
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Cunning Linguist said:
OU. Enough with the pour money into educatin in poor neighborhoods. Many states, including mine (NJ), already do that and it accomplishes nothing. ****ty parents are still gonna be ****ty parents and that's what the kids know.
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how would you improve education from the perspective of a teacher? What are the constraints of the children?
 
dalamon said:
how would you improve education from the perspective of a teacher? What are the constraints of the children?
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I think parents are being ****ty parents because their rights as workers arent being respected. To keep families over the poverty line, mothers are juggling three jobs. No mandatory leave. No benefits, no free health care. It's a systemic approach that can close income gaps.

Hence why i #feelDaBern
 
dalamon said:
how would you improve education from the perspective of a teacher? What are the constraints of the children?
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It can't be fixed. They're still gonna have ****ty parents and live in ****ty neighborhoods where trouble is at their fingertips.
 
dalamon said:
I think parents are being ****ty parents because their rights as workers arent being respected. To keep families over the poverty line, mothers are juggling three jobs. No mandatory leave. No benefits, no free health care. It's a systemic approach that can close income gaps.

Hence why i #feelDaBern
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I love you. I mean that. But you are way naive on this. ****ty people exist all over the world. From our Congress to the parents about whom I speak, they're a cancer and they care about no one but their self and know nothing about raising a child with a moral compass or any sort of worthwhile principles.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I love you. I mean that. But you are way naive on this. ****ty people exist all over the world. From our Congress to the parents about whom I speak, they're a cancer and they care about no one but their self and know nothing about raising a child with a moral compass or any sort of worthwhile principles.
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I agree. While poverty may make a good parents job harder it doesn't make or break them being a good or bad parent.

Plenty of rich folks are terrible parents and plenty of poor folks are great parents.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
OU. Enough with the pour money into educatin in poor neighborhoods. Many states, including mine (NJ), already do that and it accomplishes nothing. ****ty parents are still gonna be ****ty parents and that's what the kids know.
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1)How many? NJ is an outlier not the norm when it comes to education funding.

2)Education is just one of many challenges.

3)Education is a generational solution. It alleviates crime 20-40 years from now. It really won't do much in the short term.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
I love how the right (or in this case VO) always respond as if others want to eliminate guns. I never said that. Learn to read and infer dumbass. I said restrictions should be stronger. Background checks, like that.

I'm all for guns.
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You may not have but there are many on the left, even some in this thread who would advocate for the banning of ALL guns for the public. Hell Boxer, Feinstein, Pelosi have ALL at one point or another commented on wanting something like this.

Here's some gems:

"We must get rid of all the guns."
--Sarah Brady, Handgun Control, Inc. on the Phil Donahue Show, September 1994

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-- Janet Reno, US Attorney General

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans."
-- Bill Clinton, President of the United States in USA Today, March 11, 1993

"Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of all Americans to feel safe."
--U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein; Associated Press November 18, 1993
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